Archimedes Plutonium
2024-01-30 20:14:14 UTC
How much fault and blame is it Biden that AP cannot publish his 259th book of science solving the Israel Palestine conflict??? Is Biden 100% to blame for destroying sci.math along with keeping AP's 259th book from being published.
Censors like Joe Biden block the publication of AP's 259th book of science.
Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science
by Archimedes Plutonium
AP's 259th book of science, unfortunately unpublished as the publication establishment of the world at large keeps blocking this book and the truth and reality of Israel stealing land and committing genocide. Israel sparked 9-11 with its illegal settlement building stealing land and sparked 7Oct2023. Unless Israel is stopped, it has a good chance of sparking Nuclear World War 3 for the only agenda that Israel has is to steal all the land that was Ancient King David's land some 3,000 years ago. And if it means genocide to peoples now living on that land-- Israel does not mind nor care.
Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I am again proposing my solution.
Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.
Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.
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1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.
2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.
3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.
4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.
5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.
6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.
7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.
8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.
9) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.
10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.
11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.
12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.
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2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.
It has been baffling for leaders of the USA and other western nations and allies, why Israel does not seem or want to conform to a two state solution. And where violence and war is ever brewing and simmering, a perpetual warring and bombing and missiling of Israel and Palestinians.
Baffling because, most western countries do not understand, almost every Israeli is feeling and passionately feeling the desire of Modern Israel be the same land that was Ancient Israel, with all of Jerusalem, not a portion of Jerusalem but all of Jerusalem.
Why, even the UK, United Kingdom, England has a national song with the word "Jerusalem" in the national song.
How many times, yes, how many times has the United States, the closest ally of Israel, asked Israel to stop settlement building on West Bank Palestinian land? Is it 100,000 times they asked Israel to stop building settlements on Palestinian land, saying "it is not helpful" in achieving a two state solution.
3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.
And this is a modern anachronism of political science. Modern day people who look back in time of their country and seek that larger country it was in past times.
What if Mexico decided to regain its Ancient Mexico borders and started settlement building in USA state of Texas?
What if Russia decided it wants Ukraine land because in the past, it had Ukraine land, and so invades Ukraine.
What if China wants its old past border of what is now Vladivostok-- called Haishenwai under the great Qing dynasty. What if China wanted that back, now, do we go into World War 3 or 4?
What I am saying is that people, politicians looking to regain lands of Ancient times, only create havoc and panic and death to thousands of people over their misguided dreams and desires.
Humanity must go forward with hopes of a better world, better society, not backwards to regain what was lost in the past.
4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.
Archimedes Plutonium
Jan 29, 2020, 1:34:02 PM
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Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.
Sample Ballot (paper ballots)
Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark
Benny Gantz
Benjamin Netanyahu
signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice
Newsgroups: sci.physics
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:33:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots,
paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can
vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth
From: Archimedes Plutonium
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.
Sample Ballot (paper ballots)
Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark
Benny Gantz
Benjamin Netanyahu
signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:08:54 PM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote in sci.physics:
Quoting Wikipedia—-
In 1965 the Voting Rights Act (VRA) put an end to individual states' claims on whether or not Natives were allowed to vote through a federal law. Section 2 of the VRA states that, "No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure, shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color". Further sections describe the measures taken if violations to this act are discovered.
However, efforts by states and municipalities to disenfranchise Native Americans are ongoing, such that there have been about 74 cases brought by or on behalf of Natives under the VRA or the Fourteenth or Fifteenth Amendment since 1965. These in the most part have proved to be successful to upholding the rights of Native Americans as citizens of the United States. Most of these cases are centered on states that have large reservations, or Native populations, such as New Mexico, Arizona and Oklahoma.
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---
5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 12:43:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Archimedes Plutonium
To: Plutonium Atom Universe <plutonium-***@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...
The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...
Otherwise, Israel will just claw away, nibble and naw away every strip of land of the Palestinians until there is no more West Bank or Gaza. As long as Israel can elect people like Netanyahu, there never will be a two state solution.
If Trump and Netanyahu had their wish, they would wish that cargo ships would dock at Israel ports and all Palestinians-- cattle prodded into boarding the ships and sent off to some remote spot on the globe. That is their solution.
In a sense, history is reliving the past of the Americans with the problem they called the "Indians". And they rounded them up and sent them to far off reservations. Much like Israel occupation of West Bank. Make no mistake about it, West Bank is just an Indian Reservation of the 1800s.
Finally, what gives dignity to the American Indian as gives dignity to all Americans, is the ability and Right to Vote. That these people, have the same Respect, same Right to Vote as the Israeli who lives in Jerusalem or lives in Tel Aviv.
If there is going to be a Two State Solution, it must start with getting the right to vote by Palestinians. So long as Israel elections are all about putting a PM in that continues to steal the land of West Bank, there will never be a two state solution.
The very moment that the Palestinian Votes for either Gantz or Netanyahu in 2 March, 2020 are counted, is the very moment that Israel will be committed to a Peace between Palestinians and Israelis.
me (Archimedes Plutonium)
Jan 29
No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swoping was ever going to bring Peace. The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as Voting.
I think the International Laws can be construed to the effect "If you are a democratic nation and is occupying the lands of another people, that the occupier should be forced to allow those occupied people the right to vote in their General Election." I would almost bet that the International Laws are construed to that effect.
It would mean that all the Palestinians occupied by the Democratic voting Israel are obliged by law to let the Palestinians vote on the 2 March 2020 election.
Vote for either
Benny Gantz
or
Benjamin Netanyahu
And the Palestinian votes be counted.
It would instantly give Respect and Dignity to all Palestinians, a respect and dignity denied them over these decades long occupation of their land, their homes, their freedom.
It would instantly cause the Israeli people to either go a Two State Solution in honesty, or, go the route of One and All Israel, but the Palestinians voting in elections.
When you think about it-- Peace was never going to happen in Israel-Palestine, until the stark reality of Palestinians voting.
No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swooping was ever going to bring Peace.
The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as Voting.
me (Archimedes Plutonium)
Jan 29
Re: No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swooping was ever going to bring Peace. The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as VOTING.
The Palestinian population is 5 million and the Israeli is 9 million. About a 1 to 2 in voting numbers.
Easiest way of solving Palestinian-Israel Conflict, give the Palestinians the right to vote in the 2 March Israel election for either Gantz or Netanyahu
The American Indian was treated horribly in human history by the white settlers, a painful horrible story of how people treat other people. And not until the American Indian was given equal rights in voting, voting for president, can we say, that the American Indian was shown respect, dignity as equals to others.
Israel has occupied the Palestinians since 1967 to present. That is over 50 years of occupation, and Palestinians not given a right to vote. Not given dignity, not given respect, but rather a continual stealing away of the land promised to them for a homeland state.
It is time this conflict is ended and to start the end of the conflict is to give Palestinians the right to vote in the March 2 Israel election between Benny Gantz and Benjamin Netanyahu.
I propose the Palestinians get paper ballots and vote on the same day the Israelis vote, and sign their ballots and if Israel rejects their votes, submit all the ballots to the International Court of Justice.
A people that are occupied and no voice in government, from a Democracy of Israel, seems like a crime, for without a voice, Israel has no reason to want peace, but rather to keep on stealing all Palestine land. And to give the Palestinians desert land near Gaza while Israel takes all the Jordan valley under the Trump plan, with Palestinians in underground tunnels, is more like a science fiction horror movie, than actual leaders of the USA making a legitimate proposal. Sounds like Trump wants to send the Palestinians to the Moon, rather than treat these people with respect and dignity.
When Trump leaves office, why not swap his gold tower in New York City for a stretch of the Mojave desert. Give his Mare Lago to animal reserve and let Trump get around by underground tunnels when he has to go to the bathroom.
AP
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth.
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.
Sample Ballot (paper ballots)
Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark
Benny Gantz
Benjamin Netanyahu
Signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice
Israel treats Palestinians, worse than what Americans treat Indians in the past-- occupation but no right to vote.
6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.
I remember a comment by someone in sci.math or sci.physics on this topic of why Israel treats the Palestinian people so harshly. And his comment was words to the effect. "They (Israelis) learned well from Europeans on how to subjugate, harass and steal from them, and so after all that learned in Northern Europe, they (Israelis) applied that learning upon the Palestinians".
Now to be sure the Palestinians were not always angels themselves and had many skirmishes and clashes. But in the end analysis of 2020 to 2023, it is purely seen as a Israeli bully on a subjugated peoples of Palestinians.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 2:19:35 AM
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Turning these ideas into AP's 259th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting their way out of violence.
Actually this is the easiest way to solve the conflict that has been nonstop violence from 1940s onward.
With the recent flare-up of war in the early week of October 2023, where Hamas attacks and Israel retaliates with war. Now, more than ever do we need the best and easiest resolution-- give everyone of age in Israel and in occupied territory give them all the right to vote in the next Israeli election.
If that had been done years back, then Netanyahu would not be PM now and there would likely be no war now.
When you strip people of all dignity, especially the right to vote who you want governing you, you end up with a constant violence, belligerence and war that we see Israel versus Palestine.
What raised the black people, the slaves in America, what lifted them into power and Dignity, was the right to vote. And they even elected a black President Barack Obama.
It is possible, and likely that as Israel is forced to allow its occupation of Palestine-- allow them to vote, that they well mass together and get a Prime Minister that favors a two state solution and favors a halt and stopping of settlement land grabbing stealing.
As long as we have no dignity for Palestinians, no vote, we have perpetual bloodshed and war.
7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 2:33:15 AM
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I am going to have to recall all my posts of the past on this topic and make this my 259th book of science-- political science.
There will never be an end to the Palestine-Israel Conflict until the Palestinians vote their way out of these endless stealing of their land and endless wars.
World's Easiest solution for Palestine-Israel Conflict-- count the votes by Palestinians in March 2 election of Gantz versus Netanyahu
If you are a Democracy and you Occupy other people and their land,
then you must allow all the voting age citizens of the Occupied land to vote in your election.
Palestine has Gaza and West Bank of population of 4.8 million, while Israel has population of 9.7 million.
All voting age Palestinians must have the right to vote in all Israel elections of Prime Minister.
I propose that the UN or EU gives Palestine ballots in elections of Israel prime ministers, and collects and counts those ballots, signature of voter on each ballot.
What this does is force Israel either into a Two State Solution, or forces them to no longer enslave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It brings peace to the region.
Otherwise, Israel is more like Russia on Ukraine. Russia bombing and trying to steal Ukraine. Not much different from Israel settlements in West Bank. Only Russia is a dictatorship while Israel is a Democracy. But Israel must be a ""full democracy"" for it Occupies the Palestinian lands and settlement stealing without giving them the right to vote in Israel elections of prime minister.
Prime Ministers elected _without the 4.8 million Palestinian input_, is going to be nothing but more Settlement building and leaving Palestinians either dead from war and their buildings destroyed and the people having to move out of the region to a foreign land.
Russia wants to steal all of Ukraine in fast time. Israel is stealing all of Palestinian land in slow time. That is the only difference between Russia on Ukraine and Israel on Palestine.
The world has tried the Israel slow steal from 1967 to today in October 2023. Time to try something new and different. Give the Palestinians the right to vote in the Israeli prime minister elections, possibly other elections also. Try voting out of this bloodshed and violence.
I write this as a War was begun by Hamas in early October 2023, and Israel retaliating as to crush Gaza, nothing new, same old same old from 1967 to October 2023. And at this rate, it is more like genocide of Palestinians than it is a tit for tat.
If my Voting Technique had been adopted by 2019, then Netanyahu would likely not be the prime minister of Israel. This war in October of 2023 would never have happened, because the cycle of steal Palestine land and bomb West Bank and Gaza while Occupation of West Bank and Gaza that cycle would be broken as the 4.8million votes from Palestine with the 9.7 million Israel votes would have elected a Prime Minister of Israel that is for the first time--- willing to solve this conflict that has dragged on from 1940 to 2023 of 63 years of nothing but hatred, bloodshed and violence, cycle after cycle. For what is really going on is a land stealing and pushing out of Palestinians.
Sadly , the USA has been an awful broker in this conflict, yet the USA learned this lesson themselves-- you have to give dignity to subjugated peoples-- the black slaves, the Native American Indians before them. Give them the dignity of Voting, and have them vote their way out of bloodshed and violence.
As for Russia on Ukraine, there is no voting in Russia-- only a farce of voting. And so the West with its Democracies must forcibly repel the Russian invasion.
I was alarmed to see that the USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid in 2023, while only giving Ukraine 24 billion dollars of aid in 2023 (please check those figures). If accurate, it should be the other way around-- Ukraine needs 128 billion dollars in aid while Israel with its no progress in the conflict of Palestine getting less than 24, if any at all.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 4:42:22 PM
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So, here we have an odd situation if those number figures are correct above. We have Israel receiving 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, yet we have a Ukraine fighting for its very life receiving only 24 billion in aid from USA in 2023, over 5 times more aid to Israel. For what, so they can beat up on their Arab neighbors 5 times more effectively???
And I would like to ask the question of how much of the 128 billion dollars goes into directly or indirectly putting up construction of illegal settlements? Yet the US government has asked Israel to stop these settlements for it is not conducive to a two state solution.
So no wonder the House raucous caucus (they should rename the caucus to be "raucous"), no wonder the right wing extremists wanted to shut down the government last month in September, with idiotic appropriations of 128 billion to Israel and only 24 billion to Ukraine fighting for its life.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 11, 2023, 1:02:04 AM
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On DW news tonight was a Jewish historian lamenting the fact that Israel in its past history was mostly seen as a place of refuge and comfort and safety for Jews elsewhere in the world, persecuted and in harms way, and would see Israel as sanctuary.
Yet nowadays, Israel is likely to be one of the most dangerous places to be.
It is the Israeli government that has turned Israel into a land of harm and danger. For their priority is to get all the land of Ancient Israel and remove the Palestinians. The Two-State Solution harped on by the West, no-one in Israel wants to hear that, no, they want all of what was Ancient Israel, no matter the price.
The Jewish historian placed some of the blame on Netanyahu for this modern day irony-- Israel is no longer a safe harbor but one of the most dangerous places to be.
What my Voting Mechanism for a Peace Solution brings to the table, is the full consideration and dignity of 4.8 million Palestinians along with 9.7 million Israelis.
Once the 4.8 million Palestinians start voting in the election of a Israeli Prime Minister, and those votes count in who wins, we break the cycle of hatred and bloodshed. We return Israel as a haven for Jews elsewhere on the globe who want to go to Israel for rest, relaxation, uplift and safety.
It is Voting that lifted the black slaves and lifted the Native American Indians, lifted them in dignity and in equal rights, mind you we still have a long ways to go on equality, but with the Vote, it started the road to equality.
Same way, giving the enslaved and occupied Palestinians a voice in the next Israeli Prime Minister starts the Middle East on a new path of safety, security and peace.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 11, 2023, 10:45:40 PM
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A spokes-person for Palestinians was very eloquent and logical tonight on PBS Newshour. He kept talking about the "root cause" of bloodshed and war in Israel and Palestine, the root cause that Israel wants no two state solution but to push out all Palestinians
In my opinion, the status quo is either kill Palestinians in skirmishes or push them out of their land with more settlement building. This reminds one of a apartheid in Israel-Palestine, a worse apartheid then what happened in South Africa.
I myself am ashamed of how the USA continues to back the bully-- Israel, in their land stealing settlements, their occupation of Palestinians, their continual driving them out of their homes and land. To me, the Israel -- Palestine wars is no different than the Russia invasion on Ukraine. That Israel is much like Russia in stealing land from other people and resorting to genocide, genocide of Ukrainians by Russians, same as genocide of Palestinians by Israelis.
If the UN and EU had adopted AP's resolution-- allow the occupied Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister have Palestinians 4.8 million vote in that election-- would have caused no Netanyahu as prime minister and would have likely no war in Oct 2023,--- instead, closer to a Peace and a Two State Solution.
Russia invasion of Ukraine is fast steal of land with genocide of Ukrainians. Israel on Palestine is a slow steal of land, but equally a genocide of Palestinians.
I am appalled that USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, while only giving 24 billion dollars to Ukraine in 2023. Seems turned around backwards. Ukraine needs 128 billion-- Israel needs less than 24 billion-- and only any aid so long as they stop settlement building and fast track a Two State Solution.
8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.
Archimedes Plutonium
5:56 PM, 12Oct2023
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Hamas-- release the hostages so that Palestinians can get water, food, aid. ___And demand___ that all Palestinians 4.8million have the right to vote for the next Israeli prime minister. Ballots counted by UN & EU. If this had been in place in 2019, there would be no Netanyahu prime minister and this war of 2023.
Israel-- accept the fact that you have occupied Palestinians for 56 years, longest occupation in human history, accept the fact that you wrongly build settlements on Palestinian land, and thus, accept the fact that 4.8 million Palestinians will vote for your Israel prime minister in all future elections until there is a ___Two State Solution____, living side by side in peace.
Israel, admit that you are no better than Russia trying to steal Ukraine. Russia wants a fast steal the land, while Israel does a slow steal to try to capture all of Ancient Israel. Both are doing genocide of people.
Vote yourself out of this non ending violence, cycle of bloodshed and violence.
Vote, vote, vote, is the answer
Sadly, USA is siding with a bully, not a fair broker. USA siding with Israel, is no better than USA siding with Russia trying to steal Ukraine.
8) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.
Archimedes Plutonium
9:36 PM, 12Oct2023
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So, the Palestinians in the Palestine-Israeli conflict remind me of a Greek tragedy myth. I forgotten the name of the woman in the myth. I believe I heard the story from Sister Wendy when she was describing art paintings.
The story goes like this as far as I can remember. This Greek woman was with child and servants and the land was under war and she had to evacuate. So she entrusted her child to a servant with a sum of money to go to a foreign land that was safe and she would join up with them. She finally makes the journey herself and gets to the beach where her servant and child landed and is fearful that something wrong happened. She eventually discovers her child was killed by the servant and the money taken. So there she is, all alone, in grief and little hope.
There are 4.8 million Palestinians under occupation for 56 years, and 9.7 million Israelis who seem to be doing nothing but increasing new settlement building on Palestinian land.
It is as if the Israelis wanted a attack on Israel so that they could bulldoze all of Gaza into the ocean and make Gaza a new Israeli settlement.
Russia wants a fast steal of Ukraine land. Israel is happy with a slow steal of Palestinian land.
I question the aid to Israel of 128 billion US dollars yet only 24 billion for Ukraine. How much of the 128 billion US aid is going into building new settlements on Palestinian land?
Like the Greek woman tragedy, finding her son killed by the servant and her money stolen, breaks her heart and no hope of a future. The Palestinians have been occupied and living in squalor for 56 years under the Israel oppression.
Time to try something new--- have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote in the next Israel prime minister election, and their votes counted by the UN or EU and applied to who becomes the next prime minister of Israel, and have this in every election until and unless a Two State Solution is finally worked out.
At the rate we are going now on this conflict, the Israelis will kill or deport all Palestinians and steal all their land by a decade from now.
Hamas and violence is no answer. Please return all hostages. But do add a conditional clause-- have Palestinians vote in the next Israeli prime minister election. Hamas solves nothing, but only intensifies more bloodshed and the removal or killing of all Palestinians.
The Solution--- vote your way to freedom and a Two State Solution.
AP
Early morning of 13Oct2023, I wrote this in sci.physics,sci.math,plutonium-atom-universe newsgroups.
Netanyahu and his war cabinet-- totally unhinged. They want 1.1 million in the Gaza strip to move south.
--- quoting BBC ---
Where is Wadi Gaza?
As we've reported, the Israeli military has told the UN that everyone living north of Wadi Gaza should relocate in the next 24 hours - the UN says this amounts to about 1.1 million people.
The Wadi Gaza is a river valley located around the centre of the Gaza Strip, snaking across its entire width and ending in the Mediterranean Sea. It is known for its coastal wetlands and biodiversity.
This close-up of a UN map, where Wadi Gaza is represented by a brown dotted line at the bottom, shows that the area affected by Israel's evacuation order includes Gaza City, the enclave's largest city.
--- end quoting BBC ---
AP says, in the past 2 decades Israel has not chosen the path to peace and a two state solution. Israel just went the same old same old-- Occupation of the Palestinians, more horrible living conditions for 4.8 million Palestinians and the stealing of more Palestinian land for new settlements.
Why is not America ashamed of itself for aiding this bully prime minister and his bully country.
Russia wants to steal Ukraine land and genocide of Ukrainians.
Israel wants to steal Palestinian land and genocide of Palestinians. Why is the USA on the side of this bully?
Surely it is atrocious what Hamas did. But when Israel keeps itself on a path of stealing land and genocide of Palestinians, this is what happens-- Israel is no longer safe.
I propose Voting to end the Conflict. Have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote alongside the 9.7 million Israelis for a new prime minister. Do that tomorrow. Netanyahu is not for the betterment of Israel or anyone else, and this violence is going to become worse the longer the unhinged Netanyahu is in charge.
Can Mr. Gantz replace Netanyahu tomorrow??? For a change in leadership is really needed. Someone with a cooler head, a cooler mind.
10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.
In American history there is the story of American Indians being displaced from their lands and put on reservations. It is reportedly said by one Indian Chief-- "What you do speaks so loudly, that I cannot hear what it is you are saying".
This reported wise words from an Indian Chief aptly describes Israel from 1967 onwards-- they never listen to anyone especially those with a Two State Solution. No, what Israel is after is all the lands of Ancient Israel, and to hell with anyone else on Earth.
Ever since 1967, Israel has been on one and only one mission-- Ancient Israel lands all be Israel.
Nothing speaks more loud and more clearly that this is the only goal and motivation of Israel than settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.
Israel land area 20,770 km^2
West Bank 5,655 km^2
Gaza strip 365 km^2
Rhode Island 4,000km^2 smallest state in USA
Delaware 6,400 km^2
Connecticut 14,300 km^2
Israel size land area 20,770km^2
Washington D.C. 158km^2
Vermont 23,900 km^2
New Hampshire 24,200 km^2
Germany 357,600 km^2
Montana 376,980 km^2
California 403,900 km^2
Texas 676,500 km^2
Ukraine, second largest European country after Russia
603,500 km^2
--- quoting Wikipedia ---
Greater Israel (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל השלמה; Eretz Yisrael Hashlema) is an expression, with several different biblical and political meanings over time. It is often used, in an irredentist fashion, to refer to the historic or desired borders of Israel.
Currently, the most common definition of the land encompassed by the term is the territory of the State of Israel together with the Palestinian territories. Other definitions, favored by Revisionist Zionist, included the territory of the former Emirate of Transjordan and the Sinai Peninsula.
History
Promised Land
The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.
Main article: Promised Land
The Bible contains three geographical definitions of the Land of Israel. The first, found in Genesis 15:18–21, seems to define the land that was given to all of the children of Abraham, including Ishmael, Zimran, Jokshan, Midian, etc. It describes a large territory, "from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates".
The other definitions are found in the Book of Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy 11:24, Deuteronomy 1:7, the Book of Numbers, Numbers 34:1–15, and the Book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel 47:13–20. The definition in Numbers and Ezekiel refers to the land that was divided between the original Twelve tribes of Israel after they were delivered from Egypt, and finally, the borders defined in the book of Deuteronomy are those that will be given to the children of Israel slowly throughout the years, Exodus 23:29 & Deuteronomy 7:22).
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---
11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.
We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.
Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.
And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal.
But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire.
Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun.
12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.
Imagine a Israel-Palestine so peaceful, so happy, all because of Voting.
Archimedes Plutonium
11:05 AM, 19Oct2023
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--- quoting Wikipedia on Israel settlement building ---
The international community widely regards Israeli settlements in the occupied territories illegal under international law.[461] United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334, passed on 23 December 2016 in a 14–0 vote by members of the U.N. Security Council (UNSC) with the United States abstaining. The resolution states that Israel's settlement activity constitutes a "flagrant violation" of international law, has "no legal validity" and demands that Israel stop such activity and fulfill its obligations as an occupying power under the Fourth Geneva Convention.[462] A United Nations special rapporteur concluded that settlement program was a war crime under the Rome Statute,[463] and Amnesty International found that the settlement program constitutes an illegal transfer of civilians into occupied territory as well as amounting to "pillage", which is prohibited by both the Hague Conventions and the Geneva Conventions as well as being a war crime under the Rome Statute.[464]
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---
What AP would like to know is that we often compare foreign countries geography size with a state of the USA. For example, Germany size is often quoted as being the size of Oregon-- not sure if that has changed ever since East Germany was acquired by West Germany.
But what is the size of Israel by a USA State comparison?? Is it the size of New Hampshire? What is the size of West Bank and Gaza strip for Palestinians? When combined is it the size of Vermont?
And what is the size of Israel illegal settlements to date in 2023? Is it the size of Rhode Island, perhaps by now the size of Delaware or Connecticut?
With Illegal Settlement building, it is easy to see that the main and major political thrust and drive of the Israel elected government is to recover all of Ancient Israel, and to push out all Arabs on the land that is Ancient Israel, by hook or crook. And that every election of prime minister in Israel without the voting count of Palestinians of 4.8 million, is only going to be a person who furthers the land grab stealing of making modern Israel be the same as Ancient Israel. And those running for office need never say in their campaigns-- our agenda is Ancient Israel restored, never needs mentioning for that is understood in feeling and passion of every Israeli citizen. To the consternation of the UN and western nations pleading for a Two-State Solution. As of October 2023, no Israeli wants a two state solution when they can have a Ancient Israel.
And this is why Voting is the only sensible solution in solving this Conflict. For Voting then denies the insane quest of restoring Ancient Israel to be Modern Israel, as the Palestinian population of 4.8 million versus Israeli 9.7million prevent leaders of Israel doing their land grab agenda.
In fact, I predict that as Voting to all Palestinians and all Israelis, that the Palestinians get so used to having a Israeli prime minister, that they decide to stay with Israel government and not want the Two State Solution. Because a joined in voting Palestinian population benefits from an economic shared Israeli population. Much like the Palestinians that are Israeli citizens living in Israel now.
Voting will free Palestine and end the Israel Palestine Conflict. Vote your way into freedom, peace and everlasting happiness.
In fact, I also predict that as Israel Palestine vote their way into better lives, that the dictators and dictatorial countries like Iran, North Korea, China, Russia will be so alarmed over the peace and security and happiness that is budding and brewing in Israel-Palestine that they become fearful of voting will take hold in their countries and remove and oust their current dictators.
AP
Hi Tim, I appreciate your follow up. I really would not call it a diatribe, but a diaspora of the poor Palestinian people being homeless as Israel continues to steal land rather than their avowed Two State Solution. So the entire world does not have to baby sit Israel with its continual warring started in 1967 with no end in sight. Israel should stop its propaganda of how they are being harassed when they are the harassers of Palestinian people. And whenever anyone tries explaining the Palestinian plight, they are falsely labeled by Israel as --antisemitic.
Let the Palestinian people who are occupied-- let them Vote in every Israel election as the way forward for Peace in that region. When you get war-like fools like Netanyahu in office, you just have more and more killing for the purpose of more and more land stealing. If Palestinians had voted in 2019-- there be no Netanyahu warrior and there be no war of 2023.
Watch I bet Netanyahu wants to bulldoze and scrape all of Gaza into the nearest ocean and them start settlement buildings in Gaza , while the 2 million Palestinians are stranded in northern Egypt.
Israel was never committed to a Two State Solution, no, it was committed to restoring Ancient Israel-- a Greater Israel over all the lands it had in Ancient times-- and to hell to anyone living on those Ancient lands.
So, Tim, did Dr. Feynman ever voice concern about the Palestinian-Israel Conflict and give what would be Dr. Feynman's solution of ending that conflict. I would be amazed if he was quiet about that issue.
Perhaps one of his books he wrote has clues to his feelings and thoughts of the Israel Palestine Conflict.
AP
Apparently Dr. Feynman did voice his opinion on the Israel-Palestine Conflict.
Unverified, he said according to a Google Search-- One of the key questions in the conflict between Israel and Palestine is this: Who can legitimately claim the land?
If that is what Dr. Feynman said, then I see he looked upon that Conflict the same way that I am looking upon that Conflict-- a Land steal. And no matter what happens daily on the ground in Israel and Palestine territory-- no matter if war or bloodshed or politics, all is focused on stealing all of the land to make and restore the lands of Ancient Israel.
As the American Indian Chief said long time ago-- What you do speaks so loudly, that I cannot hear what you say.
AP
Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science by Archimedes Plutonium
Collective Humanity, with the Sun gone Red Giant Phase and we must colonize Europa in the next 1,000 years, we simply cannot afford here on Earth, for a tiny country of Israel to embroil the entire world over its land stealing of Palestine in order to achieve Ancient Israel land of King David. All of humanity must be focused on making Europa our new home for all land on Earth will be burnt out of existence.
We need Israel and Palestinians to live together in peace side by side, not every other year in war == all so that Israel is King David's Ancient land.
As I said, no wonder Dr. Feynman was ashamed of being "Jewish" and wanted to be listed as "athiest" seeing what Israel is doing to 5 million Palestinians.
Land stealing like Russia on Ukraine or Israel on Palestine must cease, for all of Earth needs to focus on getting to Europa as our new home.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 26, 2023, 5:11:59 PM
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Warrior Netanyahu should resign and UN Secretary Antonio Guterres become the new Israel Prime Minister along with being UN Secretary General, as the only man seeing the light of day in these events.
Apparently Warrior Netanyahu is impatient in the removal of all Palestinians out of what is known as Ancient Israel, for that is his apparent goal-- regain and establish the greater Israel, stealing all the land of the West Bank and Gaza.
Impatient Warrior Netanyahu hatched plans to loosen security over greater Gaza region and the surrounding Israel settlements. Loosen protection and defense, even, perhaps encouraging Hamas to cross the border and do their vile terrorism deeds. All so that Warrior Netanyahu can speed up the acquisition of all of Gaza, by forcing the entire population south into Egypt while Netanyahu gets billions of dollars aid from the USA to push and bulldoze what was once Gaza into the nearest Ocean and since the Palestinians were shoved South into Egypt, Netanyahu warrior cabinet starts building new Israeli settlements in Gaza preparing to open up shopping malls and ocean side resorts and bed and breakfast cafes. Price tag of $10 billion from USA aid goes to make over all of Gaza as part of what used to be Ancient Israel.
And BB's war cabinet, seeing how fine and nice was the rapid stealing deployed force to gain all of Gaza and push out the 2 million Palestinians, his War Warrior Cabinet sets eyes focused on West Bank Jenin. BB always had a soft spot in his heart of regaining Jenin of the Ancient Israel Bible, that beloved city of Ancient Israel.
So here again, patterns in history repeat, and Warrior BB sees how successful and rapid in speed was the regaining of Gaza, decides that Jenin West Bank should be lax in defense and security so the Palestinians make a incursion on nearby illegal settlement building by BB's Israel, and the Palestinians wanting their land back, causes BB to send his rapid deployment force amassed from Gaza, send it into the West Bank, with aerial bombing and killing Palestinians 5,000 per day, and ordering all Palestinians to go to Jordan, while BB's paratroopers clear out the streets and cities of West Bank and where BB can finally, finally say he regained all of what was once Ancient Israel.
But at the cost of expelling 4.8 million Palestinians into either Egypt or Jordan.
And so, now, Israel finally gained what it set out to do in 1940s and 1967-- Ancient Israel all for themselves, including all of Jerusalem, at the price of 4.8 million Palestinians thrown out.
What AP proposes is that BB Netanyahu should resign immediately, and allow the voting age Palestinians vote in the next election of PM of Israel. In this manner, both Israel and Palestinians are in lock step with a solution of this Conflict that has gone on too too long and absorbed tremendous amount of energy of all countries around the world, energy that should have been used to better purposes.
Unless this Conflict is resolved in a Two State Solution of no occupation by Israel, no settlement building stealing from Palestinians, then what comes down the pike in the future is likely a million times more ugly than the terrorist attack of October 2023. I can envision where a missile from North Korea (they are selling arms to Russia for Ukraine war) that a missile from Korea gets into the Middle East, is launched and hits and strike New York City, USA.
This is where Warrior BB Netanyahu politics is leading up into.
While AP ties the two combatants-- Israel and Palestinians, ties them together into a dance. A dance of voting who the next Israel Prime Minister is to be, and thus-- leading into a Two State Solution.
As long as Israel is not tied to the Palestinians, Israel will continue to steal the land of Palestinians and shove their people into Egypt or Jordan.
The two have to be tied together in that dance, so they care for one another. They care that the Palestinians vote for one Israeli PM over another. The Israelis then court the votes of Palestinians. And thus the stopping of Israel having Warriors like BB Netanyahu who only can see violence hatred and an Ancient Israel restored off the blood and back of 4.8 million Palestinians.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 28, 2023, 4:17:02 PM
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Please clarify a piece of broadcast news, I heard a week ago. Probably from BBC for the reporter interviewed Israel settlers wielding knives and guns.
A news broadcaster of highly reputable news organization said that the Hamas attack of 7Oct was on kibbutzes of land illegally stolen from Palestinian Gaza. That the Israelis attacked on 7Oct were illegal settlements upon Palestinian lands promised in a two state solution.
It is so extremely difficult anymore to tell what the borderlines are for West Bank and Gaza strip promised to be a Palestinian two state solution, for the Israel illegal settlement building (some paid for by USA aid to Israel in the billions of dollars, while hypocritically talkety talk of a two state solution).
Of course, if true, that the Hamas 7Oct terrorist act, that does not absolve the terrorist act by Hamas. But what it does show, is that a new pattern of future violence and Israel behavior is brewing. A pattern that will achieve Israel's goal of removal of all Palestinians and stealing all their lands promised in a two state solution.
So that in the future, what the pattern of Gaza strip will end up is a strategy of this::
(1) build illegal Israel settlement on Palestinian lands whether Gaza or West Bank.
(2) build them right up to major West Bank cities like Jenin
(3) when Palestinians get irate and start any sort of violence by this stealing and encroachement
(4) any violence at all, is met with by Israel telling the Palestinians in Gaza to move to Egypt and
(5) telling Palestinians in West Bank to move to Jordan
(6) then what follows is Israel raids and enters Gaza and West Bank and thus
(7) Israel has all of Gaza strip and all of West Bank
(8) finally, Israel pushed out all Palestinians and restored all the land of Ancient Israel
So, please, clarify if Hamas attack on 7Oct was on illegal Israel settlements or was it Israel land proper??
For if it was on illegal settlement land that Hamas attacked, then this Israel pattern of stealing Gaza strip will be extended into stealing all of West Bank and removal of all Palestinians.
Actually, not much different than the atrocious treatment of US Native American Indians. But at least the Indians still have some land. While it appears to be that Israel is focused on expulsion of all Palestinians with no land, nada land, zero land.
Please, can some news agency verify if the Hamas attack of 7 Oct was conducted on stolen illegal Israeli settlements near Gaza, or was the attack on Israeli land, proper Israeli land, and not illegal settlement building.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 29, 2023, 3:54:59 PM
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Was the Hamas attack upon Israeli kibbutzes on Oct7, 2023 confined to illegal settlements or was the attack upon proper Israel land??
That question is important for it establishes a future pattern for Israel. That they build illegal settlements right up to cities in the West Bank like Jenin, then if any violence erupts, Israel invades full scale and pushes the Palestinians into Jordan then annexes all the land of the West Bank.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 29, 2023, 10:07:40 PM
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--- quoting the BBC on history of these Israel-Palestine Conflicts ---
Israel Gaza war: History of the conflict explained
The Palestinian militant group Hamas launched an unprecedented assault on Israel on 7 October, with hundreds of gunmen infiltrating communities near the Gaza Strip.
More than 1,400 Israelis were killed, while the Israeli military says 230 soldiers and civilians, including women and children, were taken to Gaza as hostages.
More than 8,000 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed in air and artillery strikes carried out by the Israeli military in response, according to the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza. Israeli troops have also massed along the Gaza boundary and Palestinians are bracing themselves for a major ground operation.
Israel has also cut off electricity and most water and stopped imports of food and medicine, although it has allowed in several dozen aid lorries through Egypt's Rafah crossing since Saturday.
t was Israel before 1948, and what was the Balfour Declaration?
Britain took control of the area known as Palestine following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled that part of the Middle East, in World War One.
The land was inhabited by a Jewish minority and Arab majority, as well as other, smaller ethnic groups.
Tensions between the two peoples grew when the international community gave the UK the task of establishing a "national home" in Palestine for Jewish people.
This stemmed from the Balfour Declaration of 1917, a pledge made by then Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Britain's Jewish community.
The declaration was enshrined in the British mandate over Palestine and endorsed by the newly-created League of Nations - forerunner of the United Nations - in 1922.
To Jews Palestine was their ancestral home, but Palestinian Arabs also claimed the land and opposed the move.
Haganah (Jewish Underground) fighter just before the start of the Israeli War of Independence 1948, wearing a hat and glasses, pointing a gun
A Haganah (Jewish Underground) fighter just before the start of the Israeli War of Independence 1948
Between the 1920s and 1940s, the number of Jews arriving there grew, with many fleeing from persecution in Europe, especially the Nazi Holocaust in World War Two.
Violence between Jews and Arabs, and against British rule, also increased.
In 1947, the UN voted for Palestine to be split into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem becoming an international city.
That plan was accepted by Jewish leaders but rejected by the Arab side and never implemented.
The soldiers of allied Arab Legion forces fire, 06 March 1948 from East sector of Jerusalem on Jewish fighters of the Haganah, the Jewish Agency self-defence force, based in Jemin Moshe quarter of the West sector of the city during during the first Arab-Jewish conflict.
The soldiers of allied Arab Legion forces fire on fighters of the Haganah, the Jewish Agency self-defence force, in March 1948
How and why was Israel created?
In 1948, unable to solve the problem, Britain withdrew and Jewish leaders declared the creation of the State of Israel.
It was intended to be a safe haven for Jews fleeing persecution, as well as a national homeland for Jews.
Fighting between Jewish and Arab militias had been intensifying for months, and the day after Israel declared statehood, five Arab countries attacked.
Map showing the 1949 Armistice Lines
Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were forced out of their homes in what they call Al Nakba, or the "Catastrophe"
By the time the fighting ended in a ceasefire the following year, Israel controlled most of the territory.
Israel
9.8 million
Population
73.6%Jews
21.1%Arabs
5.3%Other
Source: Israel Central Bureau of Statistics
Jordan occupied land which became known as the West Bank, and Egypt occupied Gaza.
Jerusalem was divided between Israeli forces in the West, and Jordanian forces in the East.
Because there was never a peace agreement there were more wars and fighting in the following decades.
Israel's borders explained in maps
The map of Israel
Map showing Israel's boundaries today and Palestinian territories
In a war in 1967, Israel occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as most of the Syrian Golan Heights, Gaza and the Egyptian Sinai peninsula.
Most Palestinian refugees and their descendants live in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as in neighbouring Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.
Neither they nor their descendants have been allowed by Israel to return to their homes - Israel says this would overwhelm the country and threaten its existence as a Jewish state.
Israeli military commanders arrive in East Jerusalem, after Israeli forces seized East Jerusalem, during the Six Day War 1967
Israeli military commanders arrive in East Jerusalem during the Six Day War in 1967
Israel still occupies the West Bank and claims the whole of Jerusalem as its capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a hoped-for future Palestinian state. The US is one of only a handful of countries to recognise the city as Israel's capital.
In the past 50 years Israel has built settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, where more than 700,000 Jews now live.
Settlements are held to be illegal under international law - that is the position of the UN Security Council and the UK government, among others - although Israel rejects this.
Where do Palestinians live?
Palestinians
14.3 million
Total population
West Bank3 million
Gaza Strip2 million
Jordan2 million
Israel2 million
Syria0.5 million
Source: Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics
What is the Gaza Strip?
Gaza is a narrow strip of land sandwiched between Israel and the Mediterranean Sea, but with a short southern border with Egypt.
Just 41km (25 miles) long and 10km wide, it has more than two million inhabitants and is one of the most densely populated places on Earth.
In the wake of the 1948-49 war, Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years.
Israel occupied Gaza in the 1967 war and stayed until 2005, during that time building Jewish settlements.
Israel withdrew its troops and settlers in 2005, though it retained control over its airspace, shared border and shoreline. The UN still considers the territory to be occupied by Israel.
--- end quoting BBC ---
I was hoping to find out if the Hamas attack on 7Oct2023 took place on illegal Israel settlements or Israel proper. From the maps shown by BBC, I suspect it was Israel proper. And if so, then the reporter in Israel made a report that was ambiguous, for it implied that Hamas attack was on illegal Israel settlements. I still need more clarification. This is not to condone Hamas attack, but to warn of similar wars in the future as Israel continues illegal settlements right up into major cities in West Bank, and should any violence break out-- gives Israel the excuse to push the Palestinian people into Jordan and steal all the land of Palestinians for a two state solution.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 30, 2023, 3:52:33 PM
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Question for Jeremy Bowen please, of the BBC.
Did the Hamas attack of 7Oct strictly took place on illegal Israeli settlement building near the Gaza strip???
In other words, the Hamas attack was not on proper Israel land, but on stolen land of Palestinians??
It is so very difficult to know whose land is whose land, anymore.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 30, 2023, 10:44:02 PM
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Apparently Dr. Feynman did voice his opinion on the Israel-Palestine Conflict. And I really appreciate that for Feynman was one of the smartest scientists. For I like it when a smart scientist sees reality not only in science but in politics. A great scientist is "objective in mind" far far over any subjectivity. I hate to hear the opinion of the Israel -Palestinian Conflict from someone full of subjectivity and the news reporters sadly are beginning to be more subjective than objective on this conflict.
Unverified, Feynman said according to a Google Search-- "One of the key questions in the conflict between Israel and Palestine is this: Who can legitimately claim the land?"
For AP, the legitimacy rests solely in the decree that the 1967 borders of Two State Solution, yet Israel never accepted a Two State solution and has kept on stealing stealing stealing by occupation, illegal settlement building and now as in case of Gaza, shoving Palestinians out of their land while bombing them, even bombing hospitals. So far 1,400 Israelis have be killed in this skirmish beginning with 7Oct Hamas attack but 6,000 Palestinians have lost their life.
No wonder Dr. Feynman did not want to be on any list that says Richard Feynman:: Jewish. Not only is religion opposed to science, but some of Dr. Feynman's shame of Israel has to come from the idea --as the ever quest of Israel to steal all Palestinian land and push the Arabs out of West Bank and Gaza until present Israel is the same as Ancient Israel. Israel has no morals in this Conflict when they occupy Palestine, settlement building and never-accept a two state solution. And America continues to play the "sucker fool" of this land stealing and genocide of Palestinians, a Conflict as old as 1967, yet Americans not learning anything.
The only difference between Russian invasion of Ukraine to steal that land and if it takes a genocide of Ukrainians is a fast steal by Russia; but Israel, like Russia is instead a slow steal of Palestine and a genocide or removal of Palestinians.
I hope the Americans wake up soon, and force Israel to allow all occupied Palestinians to vote in the election of Israel Prime Minister. The world needs to get a Israel government that finally accepts a two state solution. Let the 5 million Palestinians vote along with the 10 million Israelis for the next prime minister. There is never a resolution of this Conflict as long as Israel lets foolish Warriors as Prime Minister. Warrior warrior Netanyahu, who apparently wants to be a modern day King David who restores Ancient Israel is a anachronism of modern times.
Will America wake up if Israel pushes all Palestinians out of Gaza strip and pushes them into Egypt and then fence Gaza off and create more settlements on entire Gaza.
Vote for a end to this Conflict, by letting Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister.
If not, each episode of war conflict escalates and the fear is that Palestinians or Arabs get a "atomic missile" from North Korea that blows up New York City, as this Israel Palestine Conflict continues to ratchet up.
America, please wake up-- for you constantly say "Two State Solution" but never follow through, and you let Israel steal steal more Palestinian land.
What a really stupid stupid goal-- modern Israel the same land as Ancient Israel.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 30, 2023, 11:22:57 PM
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Warrior Netanyahu announcing tomorrow::
(1) We allow all 5 million Palestinians to vote alongside 10 million Israelis for the next prime minister of Israel as Netanyahu steps down.
(2) Hamas release all hostages safely
(3) Israel stops all bombing of Gaza and removes troops
(4) Hamas stops all rocket fire into Israel
(5) Israel commits itself to a Two State Solution, and immediately stops Settlement building to the 1967 borders of West Bank and Gaza and requests all settlers return inside Israel borders as per 1967.
(6) Israel ends the occupation of Gaza and West Bank
(7) Voting of Palestinians for Prime Minister of Israel stops pending all the above take effect.
The world needs peace in the Middle East for the rate of acceleration of viciousness and hatred, this Conflict will likely end with a atomic missile attack upon America, perhaps, even touch off and spark a Atomic WW3.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 31, 2023, 4:09:04 PM
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America says it is for a Two State Solution, yet in all its actions, it is against a two state solution Proof:: massive Israeli settlement building on Palestinian land.
Why is America being Two Faced on a problem that could end up turning into a atomic war. The Oct7, 2023 Hamas terror attack was atrocious, but all caused by a 60 year occupation of Gaza strip and West Bank. The more and more Israel enslaves the Palestinians or pushes them into Jordan or Egypt, all for the purpose of Israel regaining Ancient lands of Israel, could well spark a Atomic World wide war.
America needs to stop being a hypocrite politico-- force Israel into a Two State Solution and stop this genocide of Palestinians. Force Israel, not give them 15 billion dollars in new aid to shove the Palestinians into Jordan or Egypt.
America seems not to have learned the lessons of Indians moved on reservations or enslavement of Black America, for America is back at it with Israel bullying Palestinians.
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 4, 2023, 2:00:42 AM
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The prophets Amos and Zephaniah are believed to have prophesied that Gaza would be deserted. According to biblical accounts, Gaza fell to Israelite rule, from the reign of King David in the early 11th century BCE. When the United Monarchy split in about 930 BCE, Gaza became a part of the northern Kingdom of Israel. (source Wikipedia)
So yes, modern day Israel has the ambitions of becoming Ancient Israel, no matter what the costs are.
And the blueprint of gaining Gaza will be used for the West Bank.
Build and build illegal settlements throughout West Bank. At the sign of any violence, Israel goes in and bulldozes Palestinians into Jordan.
Will the Israel appetite for stealing land be quenched by then??
We have to look at the full reach of Ancient Israel land, and of course Israel will need the suckered in fool America to fulfill that dastardly deed.
But AP predicts that the Arab nations around the world starting from Indonesia and moving westward will rise up against the USA for stealing Palestinian Two State Solution and genocide of its people. I predict the Arab world in fury will set off a Atomic bomb on New York City.
On the other hand-- Voting stops the mass carnage, the mass bloodshed. Voting gets rid of history seeking warriors like King David Netanyahu the second. Because if the 5 million Palestinians vote alongside the 10 million Israelis for the next Prime Minister of Israel, chances are they end the succession of Crazed Warriors seeking Ancient Israel. And that the Two State Solution can move forward with Israelis living side by side with Palestinians in peace. And it may well turn out that the Palestinians do not want to be separated from their Israeli compatriots and remain with Israel as a one state, being happy to just elect the Prime Minister who looks after and cares for both Israelis as well as Palestinians.
It is nigh ultimate stupidity to have Israel chasing after a dream-scape of acquiring Ancient Israel with the suckered idiotic USA facilitating that move. America has been an uneven handed broker. Never telling Israel--stop your illegal settlement building. Why America wants to give Israel 14 billion dollars in aid, when it is Palestinian Gaza that is in ruins and 10 times more deaths than Israelis.
The recently announce 14 billion in aid to Israel more likely needs to go to aiding Palestinians.
And before the USA ever gives another penny to Israel in aid, have the Israel government swear on the Bible they will dismantle all illegal settlements to the 1967 Two State Solution borders.
Many Americans are tired of hearing from secretary of state and president on illegal settlement building-- tired of hearing "Oh, that is not helpful for a two state solution". What Americans need to hear-- Israel dismantling all illegal settlements and go back into Proper Israel of the 1967 borders.
America needs to wake up, for it is a co conspirator in stealing land and genocide of Palestinians. And at the rate of destruction and mass killing, it is not far down the road where the Arab world more than likely sets off a Atomic bomb in New York City in retaliation.
America needs to take off its blinders. Israel is the bully and Palestinians are fighting for their land and lives. While Israel is in a mindless dream of regaining old King David's Ancient Israel.
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 4, 2023, 5:51:01 PM
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Secretary Blinken:: I was wrong, illegal settlement building is helpful, very very helpful, ....for we now will have King David's 1/2 of Gaza strip. Cheers King David Netanyahu, skoal, as the two sip champagne.
King David Netanyahu:: Now we use the same game plan on West Bank, we build illegal settlements right up to Jenin, Nablus, Hebron and the moment any violence breaks out, we bomb them to pieces and bulldoze the city and with your American aid of 14 billion dollars, build new Israeli cities. Come over when we do that Anthony.
Secretary Blinken:: What if no violence breaks out?
King David Netanyahu:: Well we do what we did near Gaza, we have a lapse in the army patrol at the border and call Hamas-- your free to go and tear up the place on 7 October.
Secretary Blinken:: Love to come over when you added Jenin and Nablus as being all Israeli, although where do the Palestinians go?
King David Netanyahu:: We push them into Jordan, laughing laughing and laughing.
Little Angel in the Room:: America will be sorry for being the world's hypocrite and sucker, for the Arab world will not tolerate a genocide of Palestinians and their lands stolen all because of the idiotic dream of making modern Israel be the same as Ancient Israel, but when you have a suckered fool America paying the way for all of this, the Warrior King David Netanyahu aided by a suckered America. The Arab world, even Europe can see a retaliation the likes America never saw. America should be aiding the suffering Palestinians from the bully Israel who never wants a Two State Solution, and only wants to steal all the land of Palestinians. Land stealing Israel.... The Arab world comprises 1/3 of Earth in population and land, and not for one minute will they stomach such a steal and genocide. For God's sake-- wake up America. Dish out what you promised--- Two State Solution. Have the Israelis dismantle all illegal settlements before a penny of the 14 billion in aid is given.
Secretary Blinken and President Biden:: You have a right to defend yourself Israel and steal all the land that was King David of Israel in Ancient times. King David Netanyahu, how will you steal Jerusalem from the Arabs???
King David Netanyahu:: We save that last, for we encircle Jerusalem and then fence it off and have the army surrounding it. Letting no food water and fuel in until they all flee to Egypt or Jordan. Laughing, laughing and more laughing...
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 7, 2023, 4:06:05 PM
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Benjamin Netanyahu resigns and the Election of a new Prime Minister has the voting public of Palestinians all 5 million voting alongside the 10 million Israelis for the new Prime Minister of Israel. The UN overseeing that the Palestinian ballots are fair and counted fairly. Allowing Palestinians to Vote for the Israel Prime Minister is only Fair fair and fair for the Israelis occupy the land of Palestinians and steal much of it in Illegal Settlement building aided and payed for by USA Isreal aid in the billions of dollars.
The way out of this nightmare so that Palestine and Israel can live side by side in a Two State Solution, is to elect a Prime Minister via voting by both the 5 million Palestinians and the 10 million Israelis. Vote your way to a peace.
New Prime Minister of Israel, Vote for ___one___
Mansour Abbas -- Ra'am
Zehava Gal-On -- Meretz
Ayman Odeh -- Hadash-Ta'al
Voting solves the Israel-Palestinian Conflict. As long as Israel keeps putting land-stealing PMs the warrior King David type of prime minister into office-- Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, there will always be War in the Middle East, endless war and bloodshed and hatred, because those prime ministers were all about removing every Arab in Palestine land-- shove them into Egypt or Jordan, steal their West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza strip, because their only goal and plan was to make Modern Israel be the same as Ancient Israel.
The Palestinians have to Vote their way into Peace and a Two State Solution, but that cannot happen so long as you have nothing but land stealing Israel prime ministers, like Netanyahu.
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 8, 2023, 12:52:17 AM
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Tie, any and all aid to Israel with the dismantling of illegal settlements. No dismantling then 0 aid.
Next, tie any and all occupation of Palestinians with giving them the right to vote for who becomes the next Prime Minister of Israel. This gives Israelis the motivation and incentive for a Two State Solution.
Without the above, Israel just goes on stealing land, and makes USA and Europe look like silly stupid duped suckers.
The current Israel will not stop its land stealing and Palestinian genocide or pushed into Jordan or Egypt until Modern Israel is the same land as Ancient Israel, and this is what the hypocrites of USA and Europe want to overlook.
This mindless, endless conflict has gone on for 60 years now. With no end in sight, only ratcheting up worse and worse. Humanity is sick and tired of two small countries that cannot get their act together, and causes world wide fissures and cracks.
America can go to the Moon and back but is too stupid hypocritical to end a mindless conflict.
America can build the computer and the age of the Internet but too stupid and hypocritical in ending a mindless conflict.
America can go to Mars and explore the universe in new telescopes, but too stupid and hypocritical in ending a mindless conflict that has gone on for 60 years.
In 2023 it was a attack from Gaza city. If America does not end this mindless conflict, now, right now, then what is to come 2 years later?? A missile attack upon the USA by the Arab nations disgusted with the hypocrite USA that aids, panders and steals Palestine and genocide its people?
Maybe America is wanting to relive the days it enslaved and occupied the Native American Indians and sent them to reservations, or enslavement of black slaves from Africa. Israel on Palestine is not much different, and here we have a duped, a suckered America reliving those past sins. Remarkable, it is Voting that lifts Native American Indians and lifts Black Americans. Why America even had its first Black President not too long ago. And Israel if it cannot stop its occupation should have its first Palestinian Prime Minister of Israel not too far in the future.
Every time the Israeli government opens its mouth to fob off a reason of bombing Gaza-- there is only one reason Israel behaves the way it does-- they want modern Israel to be the same land as Ancient Israel and if Palestinians are on that land-- shove them into Egypt or Jordan or genocide.
Perhaps Netanyahu in Oct 1 called up Hamas and told them -- Oct 7 is a good day to attack. All because Netanyahu can then say in his bio, he recaptured Gaza City of old King David of Ancient Israel, while the suckered and duped America came in with more aid, 14 billion dollars worth to build a new Israeli Gaza City, with bed and breakfast, motels and tourist stores, capped off with a swim in the Sea.
2023 was an attack outside Gaza City, and at this rate, the Arab world will likely attack New York City by 2025.
Our duped, suckered and feeble minded politicians here in America need to unscrew their brains, and find a new brain to fit their socket, for we need a resolution of this Conflict-- now and forever more.
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 9, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
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I need to put "fastest" in the title.
Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science by Archimedes Plutonium Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians
When will America wake up??
When??
For Israel cherishes land more than life. Israel, ever since 1967 has been on a solitary mission-- make modern Israel be the same land as Ancient Israel, and if Palestinians are on that land-- slowly but forcefully either kill them or push them into Egypt or Jordan. And America has been Israel's accomplice in this horrible expulsion.
The reason we had 9/11 in 2001 where Arabs hijacked planes and flew them into towers in New York City is for revenge on Ariel Sharon illegal settlement building on West Bank and Gaza. Israel does not care about human life if that human life stands in the way of getting all the land that was Ancient Israel.
America paid a horrible price in this complicity-- all the lives lost in 9/11. But now, we have nearly 11,000 Palestinians killed for the Hamas attack of 7 Oct. And the question for Americans is how many Americans will be killed because Israel's program of stealing Palestinian land and shoving the remaining Palestinians into Egypt and Jordan, for make no mistake--- every action done by Israel is to gain back the land that was Ancient Israel and if a Palestinian or American is on that land-- kill him or her for the land is number 1 to Israel.
No wonder the late and famous Dr. Richard Feynman who wrote Lectures in Physics, one of my heroes, no wonder he was ashamed of being listed as "Jew" and rather be listed as "athiest". No wonder he was ashamed for he realized Israel cherishes Land before it cherishes Life.
And now, we are faced, us Americans, are faced with a 1/3 of the world is Muslim stretching from Indonesia to Middle East. A huge broad swathe of the geopolitical world. And so we had 9/11 for US being accomplice to Israel land stealing and never a Two State Solution. What will the Arab world do that is harmful to the US for being this land stealing accomplice? Will the Arab world buy a North Korean missile atomic bomb tipped and flatten New York City instead of tumbling down its skyscrapers?
Will Americans all Americans traveling to or near an Arab country have to fear being taken hostage or killed on the spot, as the Arab revenge for stealing Gaza strip. All because America is far far too stupid to see they are accomplices to Israel land stealing and genocide of Palestinians. When will America wake up if they ever do wake up??
America--- wake up
Oh say can you see
By the illegal settlements
What so proudly we steal land
And the rockets red blare
Bombs bomb bursting in air
Gave truth through the night
That we killed to steal land
--- quoting the BBC on the death of 1,400 Israelis and now the death of 11,000 Palestinians, all so that land stealing Israel can be the same as Ancient Israel land---
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has warned that Israel cannot reoccupy Gaza after the war with Hamas ends.
Mr Blinken also insisted Hamas could not continue to rule there as it risked a repetition of the 7 October attacks.
He said there should be no forced displacement, blockade or reduction of territory, and that the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority should govern.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel will have "overall security responsibility" for Gaza indefinitely.
He did not elaborate on what that would entail when he made the comment in an TV interview on Monday, but a senior Israeli official told reporters in Washington on Tuesday that Israel had no intention of reoccupying Gaza or controlling it for "a long time".
Israel has been bombarding the territory for a month and began a major ground offensive over a week ago with the objective of destroying Hamas, which it, the US and other Western powers consider a terrorist organisation.
The war began after an unprecedented cross-border assault on southern Israel by Hamas on 7 October, in which 1,400 people were killed and 240 others taken hostage.
Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry says more than 10,500 people have been killed in the territory since then, while the UN is warning that an "unfolding catastrophe" is making a humanitarian ceasefire more urgent.
--- end quoting BBC ---
Biden bombs out sci.math--did he censor-bomb AP's 259th unpublished book for it tells the truth--Putin fast steal Ukraine with genocide-- Israel slow steal Palestine with genocide. Biden is too old and too dumb to know Israel will spark a NUCLEAR World War 3 in its stealing of Palestine.
Censors like Joe Biden block the publication of AP's 259th book of science.
Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science
by Archimedes Plutonium
AP's 259th book of science, unfortunately unpublished as the publication establishment of the world at large keeps blocking this book and the truth and reality of Israel stealing land and committing genocide. Israel sparked 9-11 with its illegal settlement building stealing land and sparked 7Oct2023. Unless Israel is stopped, it has a good chance of sparking Nuclear World War 3 for the only agenda that Israel has is to steal all the land that was Ancient King David's land some 3,000 years ago. And if it means genocide to peoples now living on that land-- Israel does not mind nor care.
Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians that would in my opinion make the Palestinians suffer even more of their 56 year occupation by Israel, their squalid living conditions and little hope of a free future. So I set myself to the task of figuring out the very finest and easiest solution to this nightmare of a problem for 4.8 million Palestinians opposed by 9.7 million Israelis that were occupying and oppressing them. The solution I came up with had to be such that it mobilized the Israelis along with the Palestinians in a tandem tied together solution. The solution I came up with was the simple act of Voting, especially voting for a prime minister in Israel. A solution that would end the bloodshed and ongoing violence. Sadly no-one took my recommendations in 2019, but now in October of 2023 with a huge attack upon Israelis by Hamas in Gaza strip, with hostages, and the threat of massive killing of Palestinians, here I am again proposing my solution.
Israelis are used to voting, not so the Arabs or Palestinians are __not used to voting__. But voting is what lifted Black Americans and lifted Native American Indians. And I am sure that voting will lift the Palestinians. For nothing is much worse than the present state of Palestinian peoples, living in poverty, squalor, little hope of a future.
Cover Picture: Is my photograph of a Google search on flags of Palestinians and Israel.
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1) My history on this idea of voting to solve Israel-Palestine Conflict.
2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.
3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.
4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.
5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.
6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.
7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.
8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.
9) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.
10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.
11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.
12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.
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2) Modern Israel seeks all the lands of Ancient Israel, an Anachronism of modern political-life.
It has been baffling for leaders of the USA and other western nations and allies, why Israel does not seem or want to conform to a two state solution. And where violence and war is ever brewing and simmering, a perpetual warring and bombing and missiling of Israel and Palestinians.
Baffling because, most western countries do not understand, almost every Israeli is feeling and passionately feeling the desire of Modern Israel be the same land that was Ancient Israel, with all of Jerusalem, not a portion of Jerusalem but all of Jerusalem.
Why, even the UK, United Kingdom, England has a national song with the word "Jerusalem" in the national song.
How many times, yes, how many times has the United States, the closest ally of Israel, asked Israel to stop settlement building on West Bank Palestinian land? Is it 100,000 times they asked Israel to stop building settlements on Palestinian land, saying "it is not helpful" in achieving a two state solution.
3) Countries seeking their Ancient borderlines turns Earth into a hell-hole.
And this is a modern anachronism of political science. Modern day people who look back in time of their country and seek that larger country it was in past times.
What if Mexico decided to regain its Ancient Mexico borders and started settlement building in USA state of Texas?
What if Russia decided it wants Ukraine land because in the past, it had Ukraine land, and so invades Ukraine.
What if China wants its old past border of what is now Vladivostok-- called Haishenwai under the great Qing dynasty. What if China wanted that back, now, do we go into World War 3 or 4?
What I am saying is that people, politicians looking to regain lands of Ancient times, only create havoc and panic and death to thousands of people over their misguided dreams and desires.
Humanity must go forward with hopes of a better world, better society, not backwards to regain what was lost in the past.
4) The March 2020 election between Gantz and Netanyahu.
Archimedes Plutonium
Jan 29, 2020, 1:34:02 PM
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Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.
Sample Ballot (paper ballots)
Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark
Benny Gantz
Benjamin Netanyahu
signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice
Newsgroups: sci.physics
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:33:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots,
paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can
vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth
From: Archimedes Plutonium
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.
Sample Ballot (paper ballots)
Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark
Benny Gantz
Benjamin Netanyahu
signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice
On Wednesday, January 29, 2020 at 2:08:54 PM UTC-6, Archimedes Plutonium wrote in sci.physics:
Quoting Wikipedia—-
In 1965 the Voting Rights Act (VRA) put an end to individual states' claims on whether or not Natives were allowed to vote through a federal law. Section 2 of the VRA states that, "No voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure, shall be imposed or applied by any State or political subdivision to deny or abridge the right of any citizen of the United States to vote on account of race or color". Further sections describe the measures taken if violations to this act are discovered.
However, efforts by states and municipalities to disenfranchise Native Americans are ongoing, such that there have been about 74 cases brought by or on behalf of Natives under the VRA or the Fourteenth or Fifteenth Amendment since 1965. These in the most part have proved to be successful to upholding the rights of Native Americans as citizens of the United States. Most of these cases are centered on states that have large reservations, or Native populations, such as New Mexico, Arizona and Oklahoma.
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---
5) Voting mechanism will drive Israel to seek a Two State Solution.
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 12:43:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Archimedes Plutonium
To: Plutonium Atom Universe <plutonium-***@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...
The moment Israel has to allow the Palestinian votes into their general election, is the moment that Israel will look for peace in a two-state solution, otherwise...
Otherwise, Israel will just claw away, nibble and naw away every strip of land of the Palestinians until there is no more West Bank or Gaza. As long as Israel can elect people like Netanyahu, there never will be a two state solution.
If Trump and Netanyahu had their wish, they would wish that cargo ships would dock at Israel ports and all Palestinians-- cattle prodded into boarding the ships and sent off to some remote spot on the globe. That is their solution.
In a sense, history is reliving the past of the Americans with the problem they called the "Indians". And they rounded them up and sent them to far off reservations. Much like Israel occupation of West Bank. Make no mistake about it, West Bank is just an Indian Reservation of the 1800s.
Finally, what gives dignity to the American Indian as gives dignity to all Americans, is the ability and Right to Vote. That these people, have the same Respect, same Right to Vote as the Israeli who lives in Jerusalem or lives in Tel Aviv.
If there is going to be a Two State Solution, it must start with getting the right to vote by Palestinians. So long as Israel elections are all about putting a PM in that continues to steal the land of West Bank, there will never be a two state solution.
The very moment that the Palestinian Votes for either Gantz or Netanyahu in 2 March, 2020 are counted, is the very moment that Israel will be committed to a Peace between Palestinians and Israelis.
me (Archimedes Plutonium)
Jan 29
No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swoping was ever going to bring Peace. The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as Voting.
I think the International Laws can be construed to the effect "If you are a democratic nation and is occupying the lands of another people, that the occupier should be forced to allow those occupied people the right to vote in their General Election." I would almost bet that the International Laws are construed to that effect.
It would mean that all the Palestinians occupied by the Democratic voting Israel are obliged by law to let the Palestinians vote on the 2 March 2020 election.
Vote for either
Benny Gantz
or
Benjamin Netanyahu
And the Palestinian votes be counted.
It would instantly give Respect and Dignity to all Palestinians, a respect and dignity denied them over these decades long occupation of their land, their homes, their freedom.
It would instantly cause the Israeli people to either go a Two State Solution in honesty, or, go the route of One and All Israel, but the Palestinians voting in elections.
When you think about it-- Peace was never going to happen in Israel-Palestine, until the stark reality of Palestinians voting.
No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swooping was ever going to bring Peace.
The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as Voting.
me (Archimedes Plutonium)
Jan 29
Re: No warring, no fighting, no blockade, no territory stealing or swooping was ever going to bring Peace. The best way for Peace-- something as simple and sweet and innocent as VOTING.
The Palestinian population is 5 million and the Israeli is 9 million. About a 1 to 2 in voting numbers.
Easiest way of solving Palestinian-Israel Conflict, give the Palestinians the right to vote in the 2 March Israel election for either Gantz or Netanyahu
The American Indian was treated horribly in human history by the white settlers, a painful horrible story of how people treat other people. And not until the American Indian was given equal rights in voting, voting for president, can we say, that the American Indian was shown respect, dignity as equals to others.
Israel has occupied the Palestinians since 1967 to present. That is over 50 years of occupation, and Palestinians not given a right to vote. Not given dignity, not given respect, but rather a continual stealing away of the land promised to them for a homeland state.
It is time this conflict is ended and to start the end of the conflict is to give Palestinians the right to vote in the March 2 Israel election between Benny Gantz and Benjamin Netanyahu.
I propose the Palestinians get paper ballots and vote on the same day the Israelis vote, and sign their ballots and if Israel rejects their votes, submit all the ballots to the International Court of Justice.
A people that are occupied and no voice in government, from a Democracy of Israel, seems like a crime, for without a voice, Israel has no reason to want peace, but rather to keep on stealing all Palestine land. And to give the Palestinians desert land near Gaza while Israel takes all the Jordan valley under the Trump plan, with Palestinians in underground tunnels, is more like a science fiction horror movie, than actual leaders of the USA making a legitimate proposal. Sounds like Trump wants to send the Palestinians to the Moon, rather than treat these people with respect and dignity.
When Trump leaves office, why not swap his gold tower in New York City for a stretch of the Mojave desert. Give his Mare Lago to animal reserve and let Trump get around by underground tunnels when he has to go to the bathroom.
AP
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or Netanyahu // Science Council Ruling Earth.
Please, Palestine, have one of your best allies draw up ballots, paper ballots, so that every Palestinian in the 2 March Israeli election can vote for either Gantz or for Netanyahu. Have a place for the Palestinian voter to sign the ballot in case Israel does not want to recognize the vote. And if need be, to cart all the voted ballots to the International Court, in case Netanyahu tries to suppress and reject the votes.
Sample Ballot (paper ballots)
Vote for by circling your choice or by a checkmark by his name, or both circle and checkmark
Benny Gantz
Benjamin Netanyahu
Signature of voter in case he/she needs to be contacted by International Court of Justice
Israel treats Palestinians, worse than what Americans treat Indians in the past-- occupation but no right to vote.
6) Israel has subjugated, oppressed and occupied Palestinians.
I remember a comment by someone in sci.math or sci.physics on this topic of why Israel treats the Palestinian people so harshly. And his comment was words to the effect. "They (Israelis) learned well from Europeans on how to subjugate, harass and steal from them, and so after all that learned in Northern Europe, they (Israelis) applied that learning upon the Palestinians".
Now to be sure the Palestinians were not always angels themselves and had many skirmishes and clashes. But in the end analysis of 2020 to 2023, it is purely seen as a Israeli bully on a subjugated peoples of Palestinians.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 2:19:35 AM
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Turning these ideas into AP's 259th book-- Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-- by voting their way out of violence.
Actually this is the easiest way to solve the conflict that has been nonstop violence from 1940s onward.
With the recent flare-up of war in the early week of October 2023, where Hamas attacks and Israel retaliates with war. Now, more than ever do we need the best and easiest resolution-- give everyone of age in Israel and in occupied territory give them all the right to vote in the next Israeli election.
If that had been done years back, then Netanyahu would not be PM now and there would likely be no war now.
When you strip people of all dignity, especially the right to vote who you want governing you, you end up with a constant violence, belligerence and war that we see Israel versus Palestine.
What raised the black people, the slaves in America, what lifted them into power and Dignity, was the right to vote. And they even elected a black President Barack Obama.
It is possible, and likely that as Israel is forced to allow its occupation of Palestine-- allow them to vote, that they well mass together and get a Prime Minister that favors a two state solution and favors a halt and stopping of settlement land grabbing stealing.
As long as we have no dignity for Palestinians, no vote, we have perpetual bloodshed and war.
7) There are 4.8 million Palestinians and 9.7 Israelis.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 2:33:15 AM
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I am going to have to recall all my posts of the past on this topic and make this my 259th book of science-- political science.
There will never be an end to the Palestine-Israel Conflict until the Palestinians vote their way out of these endless stealing of their land and endless wars.
World's Easiest solution for Palestine-Israel Conflict-- count the votes by Palestinians in March 2 election of Gantz versus Netanyahu
If you are a Democracy and you Occupy other people and their land,
then you must allow all the voting age citizens of the Occupied land to vote in your election.
Palestine has Gaza and West Bank of population of 4.8 million, while Israel has population of 9.7 million.
All voting age Palestinians must have the right to vote in all Israel elections of Prime Minister.
I propose that the UN or EU gives Palestine ballots in elections of Israel prime ministers, and collects and counts those ballots, signature of voter on each ballot.
What this does is force Israel either into a Two State Solution, or forces them to no longer enslave the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It brings peace to the region.
Otherwise, Israel is more like Russia on Ukraine. Russia bombing and trying to steal Ukraine. Not much different from Israel settlements in West Bank. Only Russia is a dictatorship while Israel is a Democracy. But Israel must be a ""full democracy"" for it Occupies the Palestinian lands and settlement stealing without giving them the right to vote in Israel elections of prime minister.
Prime Ministers elected _without the 4.8 million Palestinian input_, is going to be nothing but more Settlement building and leaving Palestinians either dead from war and their buildings destroyed and the people having to move out of the region to a foreign land.
Russia wants to steal all of Ukraine in fast time. Israel is stealing all of Palestinian land in slow time. That is the only difference between Russia on Ukraine and Israel on Palestine.
The world has tried the Israel slow steal from 1967 to today in October 2023. Time to try something new and different. Give the Palestinians the right to vote in the Israeli prime minister elections, possibly other elections also. Try voting out of this bloodshed and violence.
I write this as a War was begun by Hamas in early October 2023, and Israel retaliating as to crush Gaza, nothing new, same old same old from 1967 to October 2023. And at this rate, it is more like genocide of Palestinians than it is a tit for tat.
If my Voting Technique had been adopted by 2019, then Netanyahu would likely not be the prime minister of Israel. This war in October of 2023 would never have happened, because the cycle of steal Palestine land and bomb West Bank and Gaza while Occupation of West Bank and Gaza that cycle would be broken as the 4.8million votes from Palestine with the 9.7 million Israel votes would have elected a Prime Minister of Israel that is for the first time--- willing to solve this conflict that has dragged on from 1940 to 2023 of 63 years of nothing but hatred, bloodshed and violence, cycle after cycle. For what is really going on is a land stealing and pushing out of Palestinians.
Sadly , the USA has been an awful broker in this conflict, yet the USA learned this lesson themselves-- you have to give dignity to subjugated peoples-- the black slaves, the Native American Indians before them. Give them the dignity of Voting, and have them vote their way out of bloodshed and violence.
As for Russia on Ukraine, there is no voting in Russia-- only a farce of voting. And so the West with its Democracies must forcibly repel the Russian invasion.
I was alarmed to see that the USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid in 2023, while only giving Ukraine 24 billion dollars of aid in 2023 (please check those figures). If accurate, it should be the other way around-- Ukraine needs 128 billion dollars in aid while Israel with its no progress in the conflict of Palestine getting less than 24, if any at all.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 10, 2023, 4:42:22 PM
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So, here we have an odd situation if those number figures are correct above. We have Israel receiving 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, yet we have a Ukraine fighting for its very life receiving only 24 billion in aid from USA in 2023, over 5 times more aid to Israel. For what, so they can beat up on their Arab neighbors 5 times more effectively???
And I would like to ask the question of how much of the 128 billion dollars goes into directly or indirectly putting up construction of illegal settlements? Yet the US government has asked Israel to stop these settlements for it is not conducive to a two state solution.
So no wonder the House raucous caucus (they should rename the caucus to be "raucous"), no wonder the right wing extremists wanted to shut down the government last month in September, with idiotic appropriations of 128 billion to Israel and only 24 billion to Ukraine fighting for its life.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 11, 2023, 1:02:04 AM
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On DW news tonight was a Jewish historian lamenting the fact that Israel in its past history was mostly seen as a place of refuge and comfort and safety for Jews elsewhere in the world, persecuted and in harms way, and would see Israel as sanctuary.
Yet nowadays, Israel is likely to be one of the most dangerous places to be.
It is the Israeli government that has turned Israel into a land of harm and danger. For their priority is to get all the land of Ancient Israel and remove the Palestinians. The Two-State Solution harped on by the West, no-one in Israel wants to hear that, no, they want all of what was Ancient Israel, no matter the price.
The Jewish historian placed some of the blame on Netanyahu for this modern day irony-- Israel is no longer a safe harbor but one of the most dangerous places to be.
What my Voting Mechanism for a Peace Solution brings to the table, is the full consideration and dignity of 4.8 million Palestinians along with 9.7 million Israelis.
Once the 4.8 million Palestinians start voting in the election of a Israeli Prime Minister, and those votes count in who wins, we break the cycle of hatred and bloodshed. We return Israel as a haven for Jews elsewhere on the globe who want to go to Israel for rest, relaxation, uplift and safety.
It is Voting that lifted the black slaves and lifted the Native American Indians, lifted them in dignity and in equal rights, mind you we still have a long ways to go on equality, but with the Vote, it started the road to equality.
Same way, giving the enslaved and occupied Palestinians a voice in the next Israeli Prime Minister starts the Middle East on a new path of safety, security and peace.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 11, 2023, 10:45:40 PM
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A spokes-person for Palestinians was very eloquent and logical tonight on PBS Newshour. He kept talking about the "root cause" of bloodshed and war in Israel and Palestine, the root cause that Israel wants no two state solution but to push out all Palestinians
In my opinion, the status quo is either kill Palestinians in skirmishes or push them out of their land with more settlement building. This reminds one of a apartheid in Israel-Palestine, a worse apartheid then what happened in South Africa.
I myself am ashamed of how the USA continues to back the bully-- Israel, in their land stealing settlements, their occupation of Palestinians, their continual driving them out of their homes and land. To me, the Israel -- Palestine wars is no different than the Russia invasion on Ukraine. That Israel is much like Russia in stealing land from other people and resorting to genocide, genocide of Ukrainians by Russians, same as genocide of Palestinians by Israelis.
If the UN and EU had adopted AP's resolution-- allow the occupied Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister have Palestinians 4.8 million vote in that election-- would have caused no Netanyahu as prime minister and would have likely no war in Oct 2023,--- instead, closer to a Peace and a Two State Solution.
Russia invasion of Ukraine is fast steal of land with genocide of Ukrainians. Israel on Palestine is a slow steal of land, but equally a genocide of Palestinians.
I am appalled that USA gives Israel 128 billion dollars in aid for 2023, while only giving 24 billion dollars to Ukraine in 2023. Seems turned around backwards. Ukraine needs 128 billion-- Israel needs less than 24 billion-- and only any aid so long as they stop settlement building and fast track a Two State Solution.
8) Hamas, release the hostages safely, for violence does not work; Voting works.
Archimedes Plutonium
5:56 PM, 12Oct2023
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Hamas-- release the hostages so that Palestinians can get water, food, aid. ___And demand___ that all Palestinians 4.8million have the right to vote for the next Israeli prime minister. Ballots counted by UN & EU. If this had been in place in 2019, there would be no Netanyahu prime minister and this war of 2023.
Israel-- accept the fact that you have occupied Palestinians for 56 years, longest occupation in human history, accept the fact that you wrongly build settlements on Palestinian land, and thus, accept the fact that 4.8 million Palestinians will vote for your Israel prime minister in all future elections until there is a ___Two State Solution____, living side by side in peace.
Israel, admit that you are no better than Russia trying to steal Ukraine. Russia wants a fast steal the land, while Israel does a slow steal to try to capture all of Ancient Israel. Both are doing genocide of people.
Vote yourself out of this non ending violence, cycle of bloodshed and violence.
Vote, vote, vote, is the answer
Sadly, USA is siding with a bully, not a fair broker. USA siding with Israel, is no better than USA siding with Russia trying to steal Ukraine.
8) Palestinians in their 56 year occupation, the longest occupation in history.
Archimedes Plutonium
9:36 PM, 12Oct2023
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So, the Palestinians in the Palestine-Israeli conflict remind me of a Greek tragedy myth. I forgotten the name of the woman in the myth. I believe I heard the story from Sister Wendy when she was describing art paintings.
The story goes like this as far as I can remember. This Greek woman was with child and servants and the land was under war and she had to evacuate. So she entrusted her child to a servant with a sum of money to go to a foreign land that was safe and she would join up with them. She finally makes the journey herself and gets to the beach where her servant and child landed and is fearful that something wrong happened. She eventually discovers her child was killed by the servant and the money taken. So there she is, all alone, in grief and little hope.
There are 4.8 million Palestinians under occupation for 56 years, and 9.7 million Israelis who seem to be doing nothing but increasing new settlement building on Palestinian land.
It is as if the Israelis wanted a attack on Israel so that they could bulldoze all of Gaza into the ocean and make Gaza a new Israeli settlement.
Russia wants a fast steal of Ukraine land. Israel is happy with a slow steal of Palestinian land.
I question the aid to Israel of 128 billion US dollars yet only 24 billion for Ukraine. How much of the 128 billion US aid is going into building new settlements on Palestinian land?
Like the Greek woman tragedy, finding her son killed by the servant and her money stolen, breaks her heart and no hope of a future. The Palestinians have been occupied and living in squalor for 56 years under the Israel oppression.
Time to try something new--- have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote in the next Israel prime minister election, and their votes counted by the UN or EU and applied to who becomes the next prime minister of Israel, and have this in every election until and unless a Two State Solution is finally worked out.
At the rate we are going now on this conflict, the Israelis will kill or deport all Palestinians and steal all their land by a decade from now.
Hamas and violence is no answer. Please return all hostages. But do add a conditional clause-- have Palestinians vote in the next Israeli prime minister election. Hamas solves nothing, but only intensifies more bloodshed and the removal or killing of all Palestinians.
The Solution--- vote your way to freedom and a Two State Solution.
AP
Early morning of 13Oct2023, I wrote this in sci.physics,sci.math,plutonium-atom-universe newsgroups.
Netanyahu and his war cabinet-- totally unhinged. They want 1.1 million in the Gaza strip to move south.
--- quoting BBC ---
Where is Wadi Gaza?
As we've reported, the Israeli military has told the UN that everyone living north of Wadi Gaza should relocate in the next 24 hours - the UN says this amounts to about 1.1 million people.
The Wadi Gaza is a river valley located around the centre of the Gaza Strip, snaking across its entire width and ending in the Mediterranean Sea. It is known for its coastal wetlands and biodiversity.
This close-up of a UN map, where Wadi Gaza is represented by a brown dotted line at the bottom, shows that the area affected by Israel's evacuation order includes Gaza City, the enclave's largest city.
--- end quoting BBC ---
AP says, in the past 2 decades Israel has not chosen the path to peace and a two state solution. Israel just went the same old same old-- Occupation of the Palestinians, more horrible living conditions for 4.8 million Palestinians and the stealing of more Palestinian land for new settlements.
Why is not America ashamed of itself for aiding this bully prime minister and his bully country.
Russia wants to steal Ukraine land and genocide of Ukrainians.
Israel wants to steal Palestinian land and genocide of Palestinians. Why is the USA on the side of this bully?
Surely it is atrocious what Hamas did. But when Israel keeps itself on a path of stealing land and genocide of Palestinians, this is what happens-- Israel is no longer safe.
I propose Voting to end the Conflict. Have the 4.8 million Palestinians vote alongside the 9.7 million Israelis for a new prime minister. Do that tomorrow. Netanyahu is not for the betterment of Israel or anyone else, and this violence is going to become worse the longer the unhinged Netanyahu is in charge.
Can Mr. Gantz replace Netanyahu tomorrow??? For a change in leadership is really needed. Someone with a cooler head, a cooler mind.
10) The ever increasing Israel settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.
In American history there is the story of American Indians being displaced from their lands and put on reservations. It is reportedly said by one Indian Chief-- "What you do speaks so loudly, that I cannot hear what it is you are saying".
This reported wise words from an Indian Chief aptly describes Israel from 1967 onwards-- they never listen to anyone especially those with a Two State Solution. No, what Israel is after is all the lands of Ancient Israel, and to hell with anyone else on Earth.
Ever since 1967, Israel has been on one and only one mission-- Ancient Israel lands all be Israel.
Nothing speaks more loud and more clearly that this is the only goal and motivation of Israel than settlement building on occupied Palestinian lands.
Israel land area 20,770 km^2
West Bank 5,655 km^2
Gaza strip 365 km^2
Rhode Island 4,000km^2 smallest state in USA
Delaware 6,400 km^2
Connecticut 14,300 km^2
Israel size land area 20,770km^2
Washington D.C. 158km^2
Vermont 23,900 km^2
New Hampshire 24,200 km^2
Germany 357,600 km^2
Montana 376,980 km^2
California 403,900 km^2
Texas 676,500 km^2
Ukraine, second largest European country after Russia
603,500 km^2
--- quoting Wikipedia ---
Greater Israel (Hebrew: ארץ ישראל השלמה; Eretz Yisrael Hashlema) is an expression, with several different biblical and political meanings over time. It is often used, in an irredentist fashion, to refer to the historic or desired borders of Israel.
Currently, the most common definition of the land encompassed by the term is the territory of the State of Israel together with the Palestinian territories. Other definitions, favored by Revisionist Zionist, included the territory of the former Emirate of Transjordan and the Sinai Peninsula.
History
Promised Land
The "Royal Grant" to Abraham consisting of all the land east of the Brook of Egypt and west of the Euphrates, north of Kadesh and south of Hamath, from a 1919 book by Clarence Larkin.
Main article: Promised Land
The Bible contains three geographical definitions of the Land of Israel. The first, found in Genesis 15:18–21, seems to define the land that was given to all of the children of Abraham, including Ishmael, Zimran, Jokshan, Midian, etc. It describes a large territory, "from the brook of Egypt to the Euphrates".
The other definitions are found in the Book of Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy 11:24, Deuteronomy 1:7, the Book of Numbers, Numbers 34:1–15, and the Book of Ezekiel, Ezekiel 47:13–20. The definition in Numbers and Ezekiel refers to the land that was divided between the original Twelve tribes of Israel after they were delivered from Egypt, and finally, the borders defined in the book of Deuteronomy are those that will be given to the children of Israel slowly throughout the years, Exodus 23:29 & Deuteronomy 7:22).
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---
11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.
We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.
Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.
And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal.
But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire.
Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun.
12) Imagine a peaceful and happy Israel-Palestine, all because of Voting.
Imagine a Israel-Palestine so peaceful, so happy, all because of Voting.
Archimedes Plutonium
11:05 AM, 19Oct2023
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--- quoting Wikipedia on Israel settlement building ---
The international community widely regards Israeli settlements in the occupied territories illegal under international law.[461] United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334, passed on 23 December 2016 in a 14–0 vote by members of the U.N. Security Council (UNSC) with the United States abstaining. The resolution states that Israel's settlement activity constitutes a "flagrant violation" of international law, has "no legal validity" and demands that Israel stop such activity and fulfill its obligations as an occupying power under the Fourth Geneva Convention.[462] A United Nations special rapporteur concluded that settlement program was a war crime under the Rome Statute,[463] and Amnesty International found that the settlement program constitutes an illegal transfer of civilians into occupied territory as well as amounting to "pillage", which is prohibited by both the Hague Conventions and the Geneva Conventions as well as being a war crime under the Rome Statute.[464]
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---
What AP would like to know is that we often compare foreign countries geography size with a state of the USA. For example, Germany size is often quoted as being the size of Oregon-- not sure if that has changed ever since East Germany was acquired by West Germany.
But what is the size of Israel by a USA State comparison?? Is it the size of New Hampshire? What is the size of West Bank and Gaza strip for Palestinians? When combined is it the size of Vermont?
And what is the size of Israel illegal settlements to date in 2023? Is it the size of Rhode Island, perhaps by now the size of Delaware or Connecticut?
With Illegal Settlement building, it is easy to see that the main and major political thrust and drive of the Israel elected government is to recover all of Ancient Israel, and to push out all Arabs on the land that is Ancient Israel, by hook or crook. And that every election of prime minister in Israel without the voting count of Palestinians of 4.8 million, is only going to be a person who furthers the land grab stealing of making modern Israel be the same as Ancient Israel. And those running for office need never say in their campaigns-- our agenda is Ancient Israel restored, never needs mentioning for that is understood in feeling and passion of every Israeli citizen. To the consternation of the UN and western nations pleading for a Two-State Solution. As of October 2023, no Israeli wants a two state solution when they can have a Ancient Israel.
And this is why Voting is the only sensible solution in solving this Conflict. For Voting then denies the insane quest of restoring Ancient Israel to be Modern Israel, as the Palestinian population of 4.8 million versus Israeli 9.7million prevent leaders of Israel doing their land grab agenda.
In fact, I predict that as Voting to all Palestinians and all Israelis, that the Palestinians get so used to having a Israeli prime minister, that they decide to stay with Israel government and not want the Two State Solution. Because a joined in voting Palestinian population benefits from an economic shared Israeli population. Much like the Palestinians that are Israeli citizens living in Israel now.
Voting will free Palestine and end the Israel Palestine Conflict. Vote your way into freedom, peace and everlasting happiness.
In fact, I also predict that as Israel Palestine vote their way into better lives, that the dictators and dictatorial countries like Iran, North Korea, China, Russia will be so alarmed over the peace and security and happiness that is budding and brewing in Israel-Palestine that they become fearful of voting will take hold in their countries and remove and oust their current dictators.
AP
Hi Tim, I appreciate your follow up. I really would not call it a diatribe, but a diaspora of the poor Palestinian people being homeless as Israel continues to steal land rather than their avowed Two State Solution. So the entire world does not have to baby sit Israel with its continual warring started in 1967 with no end in sight. Israel should stop its propaganda of how they are being harassed when they are the harassers of Palestinian people. And whenever anyone tries explaining the Palestinian plight, they are falsely labeled by Israel as --antisemitic.
Let the Palestinian people who are occupied-- let them Vote in every Israel election as the way forward for Peace in that region. When you get war-like fools like Netanyahu in office, you just have more and more killing for the purpose of more and more land stealing. If Palestinians had voted in 2019-- there be no Netanyahu warrior and there be no war of 2023.
Watch I bet Netanyahu wants to bulldoze and scrape all of Gaza into the nearest ocean and them start settlement buildings in Gaza , while the 2 million Palestinians are stranded in northern Egypt.
Israel was never committed to a Two State Solution, no, it was committed to restoring Ancient Israel-- a Greater Israel over all the lands it had in Ancient times-- and to hell to anyone living on those Ancient lands.
"11) Russia is fast steal of land of Ukraine and genocide; Israel is slow steal of land Palestine and genocide.
We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.
Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.
And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal. But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire. Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun."
I am really appreciating AP's stuff here. Is this really his? I am not saying that I agree with it; only that some of it is a good read. Cheers, AP!
Cheers to you. Say, Tim, Richard Feynman was scientific and unfortunately was born a Jew. I really hate this idea that some is borne into a religion and not his/her own volition of deciding what their faith is. Sometime in the past history of my Usenet posting I proposed that a person can remove their "Jewish identity of being borne a Jew without that persons consent as they grow into adulthood" remove that ill wanted identity, by having a cell of different genetic material implanted into the body that is benign, and thus able to say-- their mother was not Jewish, and that the person is now FREE, of free will to decide what his her religious beliefs are. No wonder many religions call the Jewish religion a racist religion when they dictate you are one of them when your entire belief system is the opposite.We see news of Russia's invasion and war in Ukraine almost every day since 2022 and 2023. How Putin's Russia is wanting a fast steal of Ukraine.
Not many people know that Ukraine is one of the richest soils of all the soils on Earth and can grow almost anything in lush abundance. It is the breadbasket of Europe, perhaps the world with its chernozem soil. So it is easy to understand why Putin lusts to have Ukraine land.
And Putin is a bully and wants a fast steal. But again, we live in a new modern era of Atomic bombs and missiles that could blow up the world, and this anachronism of wanting past lands is a dangerous desire. Besides, humanity has far more bigger problems to solve-- our Sun has gone Red Giant Phase and if we do not put a permanent colony on Jupiter's satellite Europa in the next 1,000 years, we could face extinction and oblivion of all life on Earth. And in that perspective, we see how a Putin's invasion of Ukraine was all petty and small minded. For after 1,000 years into the future, everyone will want to leave Earth for safe sanctuary on Europa, or become toast to the Sun."
I am really appreciating AP's stuff here. Is this really his? I am not saying that I agree with it; only that some of it is a good read. Cheers, AP!
So, Tim, did Dr. Feynman ever voice concern about the Palestinian-Israel Conflict and give what would be Dr. Feynman's solution of ending that conflict. I would be amazed if he was quiet about that issue.
Perhaps one of his books he wrote has clues to his feelings and thoughts of the Israel Palestine Conflict.
AP
Apparently Dr. Feynman did voice his opinion on the Israel-Palestine Conflict.
Unverified, he said according to a Google Search-- One of the key questions in the conflict between Israel and Palestine is this: Who can legitimately claim the land?
If that is what Dr. Feynman said, then I see he looked upon that Conflict the same way that I am looking upon that Conflict-- a Land steal. And no matter what happens daily on the ground in Israel and Palestine territory-- no matter if war or bloodshed or politics, all is focused on stealing all of the land to make and restore the lands of Ancient Israel.
As the American Indian Chief said long time ago-- What you do speaks so loudly, that I cannot hear what you say.
AP
Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science by Archimedes Plutonium
Collective Humanity, with the Sun gone Red Giant Phase and we must colonize Europa in the next 1,000 years, we simply cannot afford here on Earth, for a tiny country of Israel to embroil the entire world over its land stealing of Palestine in order to achieve Ancient Israel land of King David. All of humanity must be focused on making Europa our new home for all land on Earth will be burnt out of existence.
We need Israel and Palestinians to live together in peace side by side, not every other year in war == all so that Israel is King David's Ancient land.
As I said, no wonder Dr. Feynman was ashamed of being "Jewish" and wanted to be listed as "athiest" seeing what Israel is doing to 5 million Palestinians.
Land stealing like Russia on Ukraine or Israel on Palestine must cease, for all of Earth needs to focus on getting to Europa as our new home.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 26, 2023, 5:11:59 PM
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Warrior Netanyahu should resign and UN Secretary Antonio Guterres become the new Israel Prime Minister along with being UN Secretary General, as the only man seeing the light of day in these events.
Apparently Warrior Netanyahu is impatient in the removal of all Palestinians out of what is known as Ancient Israel, for that is his apparent goal-- regain and establish the greater Israel, stealing all the land of the West Bank and Gaza.
Impatient Warrior Netanyahu hatched plans to loosen security over greater Gaza region and the surrounding Israel settlements. Loosen protection and defense, even, perhaps encouraging Hamas to cross the border and do their vile terrorism deeds. All so that Warrior Netanyahu can speed up the acquisition of all of Gaza, by forcing the entire population south into Egypt while Netanyahu gets billions of dollars aid from the USA to push and bulldoze what was once Gaza into the nearest Ocean and since the Palestinians were shoved South into Egypt, Netanyahu warrior cabinet starts building new Israeli settlements in Gaza preparing to open up shopping malls and ocean side resorts and bed and breakfast cafes. Price tag of $10 billion from USA aid goes to make over all of Gaza as part of what used to be Ancient Israel.
And BB's war cabinet, seeing how fine and nice was the rapid stealing deployed force to gain all of Gaza and push out the 2 million Palestinians, his War Warrior Cabinet sets eyes focused on West Bank Jenin. BB always had a soft spot in his heart of regaining Jenin of the Ancient Israel Bible, that beloved city of Ancient Israel.
So here again, patterns in history repeat, and Warrior BB sees how successful and rapid in speed was the regaining of Gaza, decides that Jenin West Bank should be lax in defense and security so the Palestinians make a incursion on nearby illegal settlement building by BB's Israel, and the Palestinians wanting their land back, causes BB to send his rapid deployment force amassed from Gaza, send it into the West Bank, with aerial bombing and killing Palestinians 5,000 per day, and ordering all Palestinians to go to Jordan, while BB's paratroopers clear out the streets and cities of West Bank and where BB can finally, finally say he regained all of what was once Ancient Israel.
But at the cost of expelling 4.8 million Palestinians into either Egypt or Jordan.
And so, now, Israel finally gained what it set out to do in 1940s and 1967-- Ancient Israel all for themselves, including all of Jerusalem, at the price of 4.8 million Palestinians thrown out.
What AP proposes is that BB Netanyahu should resign immediately, and allow the voting age Palestinians vote in the next election of PM of Israel. In this manner, both Israel and Palestinians are in lock step with a solution of this Conflict that has gone on too too long and absorbed tremendous amount of energy of all countries around the world, energy that should have been used to better purposes.
Unless this Conflict is resolved in a Two State Solution of no occupation by Israel, no settlement building stealing from Palestinians, then what comes down the pike in the future is likely a million times more ugly than the terrorist attack of October 2023. I can envision where a missile from North Korea (they are selling arms to Russia for Ukraine war) that a missile from Korea gets into the Middle East, is launched and hits and strike New York City, USA.
This is where Warrior BB Netanyahu politics is leading up into.
While AP ties the two combatants-- Israel and Palestinians, ties them together into a dance. A dance of voting who the next Israel Prime Minister is to be, and thus-- leading into a Two State Solution.
As long as Israel is not tied to the Palestinians, Israel will continue to steal the land of Palestinians and shove their people into Egypt or Jordan.
The two have to be tied together in that dance, so they care for one another. They care that the Palestinians vote for one Israeli PM over another. The Israelis then court the votes of Palestinians. And thus the stopping of Israel having Warriors like BB Netanyahu who only can see violence hatred and an Ancient Israel restored off the blood and back of 4.8 million Palestinians.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 28, 2023, 4:17:02 PM
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Please clarify a piece of broadcast news, I heard a week ago. Probably from BBC for the reporter interviewed Israel settlers wielding knives and guns.
A news broadcaster of highly reputable news organization said that the Hamas attack of 7Oct was on kibbutzes of land illegally stolen from Palestinian Gaza. That the Israelis attacked on 7Oct were illegal settlements upon Palestinian lands promised in a two state solution.
It is so extremely difficult anymore to tell what the borderlines are for West Bank and Gaza strip promised to be a Palestinian two state solution, for the Israel illegal settlement building (some paid for by USA aid to Israel in the billions of dollars, while hypocritically talkety talk of a two state solution).
Of course, if true, that the Hamas 7Oct terrorist act, that does not absolve the terrorist act by Hamas. But what it does show, is that a new pattern of future violence and Israel behavior is brewing. A pattern that will achieve Israel's goal of removal of all Palestinians and stealing all their lands promised in a two state solution.
So that in the future, what the pattern of Gaza strip will end up is a strategy of this::
(1) build illegal Israel settlement on Palestinian lands whether Gaza or West Bank.
(2) build them right up to major West Bank cities like Jenin
(3) when Palestinians get irate and start any sort of violence by this stealing and encroachement
(4) any violence at all, is met with by Israel telling the Palestinians in Gaza to move to Egypt and
(5) telling Palestinians in West Bank to move to Jordan
(6) then what follows is Israel raids and enters Gaza and West Bank and thus
(7) Israel has all of Gaza strip and all of West Bank
(8) finally, Israel pushed out all Palestinians and restored all the land of Ancient Israel
So, please, clarify if Hamas attack on 7Oct was on illegal Israel settlements or was it Israel land proper??
For if it was on illegal settlement land that Hamas attacked, then this Israel pattern of stealing Gaza strip will be extended into stealing all of West Bank and removal of all Palestinians.
Actually, not much different than the atrocious treatment of US Native American Indians. But at least the Indians still have some land. While it appears to be that Israel is focused on expulsion of all Palestinians with no land, nada land, zero land.
Please, can some news agency verify if the Hamas attack of 7 Oct was conducted on stolen illegal Israeli settlements near Gaza, or was the attack on Israeli land, proper Israeli land, and not illegal settlement building.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 29, 2023, 3:54:59 PM
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Was the Hamas attack upon Israeli kibbutzes on Oct7, 2023 confined to illegal settlements or was the attack upon proper Israel land??
That question is important for it establishes a future pattern for Israel. That they build illegal settlements right up to cities in the West Bank like Jenin, then if any violence erupts, Israel invades full scale and pushes the Palestinians into Jordan then annexes all the land of the West Bank.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 29, 2023, 10:07:40 PM
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--- quoting the BBC on history of these Israel-Palestine Conflicts ---
Israel Gaza war: History of the conflict explained
The Palestinian militant group Hamas launched an unprecedented assault on Israel on 7 October, with hundreds of gunmen infiltrating communities near the Gaza Strip.
More than 1,400 Israelis were killed, while the Israeli military says 230 soldiers and civilians, including women and children, were taken to Gaza as hostages.
More than 8,000 Palestinians in Gaza have been killed in air and artillery strikes carried out by the Israeli military in response, according to the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza. Israeli troops have also massed along the Gaza boundary and Palestinians are bracing themselves for a major ground operation.
Israel has also cut off electricity and most water and stopped imports of food and medicine, although it has allowed in several dozen aid lorries through Egypt's Rafah crossing since Saturday.
t was Israel before 1948, and what was the Balfour Declaration?
Britain took control of the area known as Palestine following the defeat of the Ottoman Empire, which ruled that part of the Middle East, in World War One.
The land was inhabited by a Jewish minority and Arab majority, as well as other, smaller ethnic groups.
Tensions between the two peoples grew when the international community gave the UK the task of establishing a "national home" in Palestine for Jewish people.
This stemmed from the Balfour Declaration of 1917, a pledge made by then Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Britain's Jewish community.
The declaration was enshrined in the British mandate over Palestine and endorsed by the newly-created League of Nations - forerunner of the United Nations - in 1922.
To Jews Palestine was their ancestral home, but Palestinian Arabs also claimed the land and opposed the move.
Haganah (Jewish Underground) fighter just before the start of the Israeli War of Independence 1948, wearing a hat and glasses, pointing a gun
A Haganah (Jewish Underground) fighter just before the start of the Israeli War of Independence 1948
Between the 1920s and 1940s, the number of Jews arriving there grew, with many fleeing from persecution in Europe, especially the Nazi Holocaust in World War Two.
Violence between Jews and Arabs, and against British rule, also increased.
In 1947, the UN voted for Palestine to be split into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem becoming an international city.
That plan was accepted by Jewish leaders but rejected by the Arab side and never implemented.
The soldiers of allied Arab Legion forces fire, 06 March 1948 from East sector of Jerusalem on Jewish fighters of the Haganah, the Jewish Agency self-defence force, based in Jemin Moshe quarter of the West sector of the city during during the first Arab-Jewish conflict.
The soldiers of allied Arab Legion forces fire on fighters of the Haganah, the Jewish Agency self-defence force, in March 1948
How and why was Israel created?
In 1948, unable to solve the problem, Britain withdrew and Jewish leaders declared the creation of the State of Israel.
It was intended to be a safe haven for Jews fleeing persecution, as well as a national homeland for Jews.
Fighting between Jewish and Arab militias had been intensifying for months, and the day after Israel declared statehood, five Arab countries attacked.
Map showing the 1949 Armistice Lines
Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were forced out of their homes in what they call Al Nakba, or the "Catastrophe"
By the time the fighting ended in a ceasefire the following year, Israel controlled most of the territory.
Israel
9.8 million
Population
73.6%Jews
21.1%Arabs
5.3%Other
Source: Israel Central Bureau of Statistics
Jordan occupied land which became known as the West Bank, and Egypt occupied Gaza.
Jerusalem was divided between Israeli forces in the West, and Jordanian forces in the East.
Because there was never a peace agreement there were more wars and fighting in the following decades.
Israel's borders explained in maps
The map of Israel
Map showing Israel's boundaries today and Palestinian territories
In a war in 1967, Israel occupied East Jerusalem and the West Bank, as well as most of the Syrian Golan Heights, Gaza and the Egyptian Sinai peninsula.
Most Palestinian refugees and their descendants live in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as in neighbouring Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.
Neither they nor their descendants have been allowed by Israel to return to their homes - Israel says this would overwhelm the country and threaten its existence as a Jewish state.
Israeli military commanders arrive in East Jerusalem, after Israeli forces seized East Jerusalem, during the Six Day War 1967
Israeli military commanders arrive in East Jerusalem during the Six Day War in 1967
Israel still occupies the West Bank and claims the whole of Jerusalem as its capital, while the Palestinians claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a hoped-for future Palestinian state. The US is one of only a handful of countries to recognise the city as Israel's capital.
In the past 50 years Israel has built settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, where more than 700,000 Jews now live.
Settlements are held to be illegal under international law - that is the position of the UN Security Council and the UK government, among others - although Israel rejects this.
Where do Palestinians live?
Palestinians
14.3 million
Total population
West Bank3 million
Gaza Strip2 million
Jordan2 million
Israel2 million
Syria0.5 million
Source: Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics
What is the Gaza Strip?
Gaza is a narrow strip of land sandwiched between Israel and the Mediterranean Sea, but with a short southern border with Egypt.
Just 41km (25 miles) long and 10km wide, it has more than two million inhabitants and is one of the most densely populated places on Earth.
In the wake of the 1948-49 war, Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years.
Israel occupied Gaza in the 1967 war and stayed until 2005, during that time building Jewish settlements.
Israel withdrew its troops and settlers in 2005, though it retained control over its airspace, shared border and shoreline. The UN still considers the territory to be occupied by Israel.
--- end quoting BBC ---
I was hoping to find out if the Hamas attack on 7Oct2023 took place on illegal Israel settlements or Israel proper. From the maps shown by BBC, I suspect it was Israel proper. And if so, then the reporter in Israel made a report that was ambiguous, for it implied that Hamas attack was on illegal Israel settlements. I still need more clarification. This is not to condone Hamas attack, but to warn of similar wars in the future as Israel continues illegal settlements right up into major cities in West Bank, and should any violence break out-- gives Israel the excuse to push the Palestinian people into Jordan and steal all the land of Palestinians for a two state solution.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 30, 2023, 3:52:33 PM
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Question for Jeremy Bowen please, of the BBC.
Did the Hamas attack of 7Oct strictly took place on illegal Israeli settlement building near the Gaza strip???
In other words, the Hamas attack was not on proper Israel land, but on stolen land of Palestinians??
It is so very difficult to know whose land is whose land, anymore.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 30, 2023, 10:44:02 PM
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Apparently Dr. Feynman did voice his opinion on the Israel-Palestine Conflict. And I really appreciate that for Feynman was one of the smartest scientists. For I like it when a smart scientist sees reality not only in science but in politics. A great scientist is "objective in mind" far far over any subjectivity. I hate to hear the opinion of the Israel -Palestinian Conflict from someone full of subjectivity and the news reporters sadly are beginning to be more subjective than objective on this conflict.
Unverified, Feynman said according to a Google Search-- "One of the key questions in the conflict between Israel and Palestine is this: Who can legitimately claim the land?"
For AP, the legitimacy rests solely in the decree that the 1967 borders of Two State Solution, yet Israel never accepted a Two State solution and has kept on stealing stealing stealing by occupation, illegal settlement building and now as in case of Gaza, shoving Palestinians out of their land while bombing them, even bombing hospitals. So far 1,400 Israelis have be killed in this skirmish beginning with 7Oct Hamas attack but 6,000 Palestinians have lost their life.
No wonder Dr. Feynman did not want to be on any list that says Richard Feynman:: Jewish. Not only is religion opposed to science, but some of Dr. Feynman's shame of Israel has to come from the idea --as the ever quest of Israel to steal all Palestinian land and push the Arabs out of West Bank and Gaza until present Israel is the same as Ancient Israel. Israel has no morals in this Conflict when they occupy Palestine, settlement building and never-accept a two state solution. And America continues to play the "sucker fool" of this land stealing and genocide of Palestinians, a Conflict as old as 1967, yet Americans not learning anything.
The only difference between Russian invasion of Ukraine to steal that land and if it takes a genocide of Ukrainians is a fast steal by Russia; but Israel, like Russia is instead a slow steal of Palestine and a genocide or removal of Palestinians.
I hope the Americans wake up soon, and force Israel to allow all occupied Palestinians to vote in the election of Israel Prime Minister. The world needs to get a Israel government that finally accepts a two state solution. Let the 5 million Palestinians vote along with the 10 million Israelis for the next prime minister. There is never a resolution of this Conflict as long as Israel lets foolish Warriors as Prime Minister. Warrior warrior Netanyahu, who apparently wants to be a modern day King David who restores Ancient Israel is a anachronism of modern times.
Will America wake up if Israel pushes all Palestinians out of Gaza strip and pushes them into Egypt and then fence Gaza off and create more settlements on entire Gaza.
Vote for a end to this Conflict, by letting Palestinians vote in every Israel election for Prime Minister.
If not, each episode of war conflict escalates and the fear is that Palestinians or Arabs get a "atomic missile" from North Korea that blows up New York City, as this Israel Palestine Conflict continues to ratchet up.
America, please wake up-- for you constantly say "Two State Solution" but never follow through, and you let Israel steal steal more Palestinian land.
What a really stupid stupid goal-- modern Israel the same land as Ancient Israel.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 30, 2023, 11:22:57 PM
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Warrior Netanyahu announcing tomorrow::
(1) We allow all 5 million Palestinians to vote alongside 10 million Israelis for the next prime minister of Israel as Netanyahu steps down.
(2) Hamas release all hostages safely
(3) Israel stops all bombing of Gaza and removes troops
(4) Hamas stops all rocket fire into Israel
(5) Israel commits itself to a Two State Solution, and immediately stops Settlement building to the 1967 borders of West Bank and Gaza and requests all settlers return inside Israel borders as per 1967.
(6) Israel ends the occupation of Gaza and West Bank
(7) Voting of Palestinians for Prime Minister of Israel stops pending all the above take effect.
The world needs peace in the Middle East for the rate of acceleration of viciousness and hatred, this Conflict will likely end with a atomic missile attack upon America, perhaps, even touch off and spark a Atomic WW3.
Archimedes Plutonium
Oct 31, 2023, 4:09:04 PM
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America says it is for a Two State Solution, yet in all its actions, it is against a two state solution Proof:: massive Israeli settlement building on Palestinian land.
Why is America being Two Faced on a problem that could end up turning into a atomic war. The Oct7, 2023 Hamas terror attack was atrocious, but all caused by a 60 year occupation of Gaza strip and West Bank. The more and more Israel enslaves the Palestinians or pushes them into Jordan or Egypt, all for the purpose of Israel regaining Ancient lands of Israel, could well spark a Atomic World wide war.
America needs to stop being a hypocrite politico-- force Israel into a Two State Solution and stop this genocide of Palestinians. Force Israel, not give them 15 billion dollars in new aid to shove the Palestinians into Jordan or Egypt.
America seems not to have learned the lessons of Indians moved on reservations or enslavement of Black America, for America is back at it with Israel bullying Palestinians.
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 4, 2023, 2:00:42 AM
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The prophets Amos and Zephaniah are believed to have prophesied that Gaza would be deserted. According to biblical accounts, Gaza fell to Israelite rule, from the reign of King David in the early 11th century BCE. When the United Monarchy split in about 930 BCE, Gaza became a part of the northern Kingdom of Israel. (source Wikipedia)
So yes, modern day Israel has the ambitions of becoming Ancient Israel, no matter what the costs are.
And the blueprint of gaining Gaza will be used for the West Bank.
Build and build illegal settlements throughout West Bank. At the sign of any violence, Israel goes in and bulldozes Palestinians into Jordan.
Will the Israel appetite for stealing land be quenched by then??
We have to look at the full reach of Ancient Israel land, and of course Israel will need the suckered in fool America to fulfill that dastardly deed.
But AP predicts that the Arab nations around the world starting from Indonesia and moving westward will rise up against the USA for stealing Palestinian Two State Solution and genocide of its people. I predict the Arab world in fury will set off a Atomic bomb on New York City.
On the other hand-- Voting stops the mass carnage, the mass bloodshed. Voting gets rid of history seeking warriors like King David Netanyahu the second. Because if the 5 million Palestinians vote alongside the 10 million Israelis for the next Prime Minister of Israel, chances are they end the succession of Crazed Warriors seeking Ancient Israel. And that the Two State Solution can move forward with Israelis living side by side with Palestinians in peace. And it may well turn out that the Palestinians do not want to be separated from their Israeli compatriots and remain with Israel as a one state, being happy to just elect the Prime Minister who looks after and cares for both Israelis as well as Palestinians.
It is nigh ultimate stupidity to have Israel chasing after a dream-scape of acquiring Ancient Israel with the suckered idiotic USA facilitating that move. America has been an uneven handed broker. Never telling Israel--stop your illegal settlement building. Why America wants to give Israel 14 billion dollars in aid, when it is Palestinian Gaza that is in ruins and 10 times more deaths than Israelis.
The recently announce 14 billion in aid to Israel more likely needs to go to aiding Palestinians.
And before the USA ever gives another penny to Israel in aid, have the Israel government swear on the Bible they will dismantle all illegal settlements to the 1967 Two State Solution borders.
Many Americans are tired of hearing from secretary of state and president on illegal settlement building-- tired of hearing "Oh, that is not helpful for a two state solution". What Americans need to hear-- Israel dismantling all illegal settlements and go back into Proper Israel of the 1967 borders.
America needs to wake up, for it is a co conspirator in stealing land and genocide of Palestinians. And at the rate of destruction and mass killing, it is not far down the road where the Arab world more than likely sets off a Atomic bomb in New York City in retaliation.
America needs to take off its blinders. Israel is the bully and Palestinians are fighting for their land and lives. While Israel is in a mindless dream of regaining old King David's Ancient Israel.
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 4, 2023, 5:51:01 PM
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Secretary Blinken:: I was wrong, illegal settlement building is helpful, very very helpful, ....for we now will have King David's 1/2 of Gaza strip. Cheers King David Netanyahu, skoal, as the two sip champagne.
King David Netanyahu:: Now we use the same game plan on West Bank, we build illegal settlements right up to Jenin, Nablus, Hebron and the moment any violence breaks out, we bomb them to pieces and bulldoze the city and with your American aid of 14 billion dollars, build new Israeli cities. Come over when we do that Anthony.
Secretary Blinken:: What if no violence breaks out?
King David Netanyahu:: Well we do what we did near Gaza, we have a lapse in the army patrol at the border and call Hamas-- your free to go and tear up the place on 7 October.
Secretary Blinken:: Love to come over when you added Jenin and Nablus as being all Israeli, although where do the Palestinians go?
King David Netanyahu:: We push them into Jordan, laughing laughing and laughing.
Little Angel in the Room:: America will be sorry for being the world's hypocrite and sucker, for the Arab world will not tolerate a genocide of Palestinians and their lands stolen all because of the idiotic dream of making modern Israel be the same as Ancient Israel, but when you have a suckered fool America paying the way for all of this, the Warrior King David Netanyahu aided by a suckered America. The Arab world, even Europe can see a retaliation the likes America never saw. America should be aiding the suffering Palestinians from the bully Israel who never wants a Two State Solution, and only wants to steal all the land of Palestinians. Land stealing Israel.... The Arab world comprises 1/3 of Earth in population and land, and not for one minute will they stomach such a steal and genocide. For God's sake-- wake up America. Dish out what you promised--- Two State Solution. Have the Israelis dismantle all illegal settlements before a penny of the 14 billion in aid is given.
Secretary Blinken and President Biden:: You have a right to defend yourself Israel and steal all the land that was King David of Israel in Ancient times. King David Netanyahu, how will you steal Jerusalem from the Arabs???
King David Netanyahu:: We save that last, for we encircle Jerusalem and then fence it off and have the army surrounding it. Letting no food water and fuel in until they all flee to Egypt or Jordan. Laughing, laughing and more laughing...
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 7, 2023, 4:06:05 PM
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Benjamin Netanyahu resigns and the Election of a new Prime Minister has the voting public of Palestinians all 5 million voting alongside the 10 million Israelis for the new Prime Minister of Israel. The UN overseeing that the Palestinian ballots are fair and counted fairly. Allowing Palestinians to Vote for the Israel Prime Minister is only Fair fair and fair for the Israelis occupy the land of Palestinians and steal much of it in Illegal Settlement building aided and payed for by USA Isreal aid in the billions of dollars.
The way out of this nightmare so that Palestine and Israel can live side by side in a Two State Solution, is to elect a Prime Minister via voting by both the 5 million Palestinians and the 10 million Israelis. Vote your way to a peace.
New Prime Minister of Israel, Vote for ___one___
Mansour Abbas -- Ra'am
Zehava Gal-On -- Meretz
Ayman Odeh -- Hadash-Ta'al
Voting solves the Israel-Palestinian Conflict. As long as Israel keeps putting land-stealing PMs the warrior King David type of prime minister into office-- Ariel Sharon, Benjamin Netanyahu, there will always be War in the Middle East, endless war and bloodshed and hatred, because those prime ministers were all about removing every Arab in Palestine land-- shove them into Egypt or Jordan, steal their West Bank, Jerusalem, and Gaza strip, because their only goal and plan was to make Modern Israel be the same as Ancient Israel.
The Palestinians have to Vote their way into Peace and a Two State Solution, but that cannot happen so long as you have nothing but land stealing Israel prime ministers, like Netanyahu.
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 8, 2023, 12:52:17 AM
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Tie, any and all aid to Israel with the dismantling of illegal settlements. No dismantling then 0 aid.
Next, tie any and all occupation of Palestinians with giving them the right to vote for who becomes the next Prime Minister of Israel. This gives Israelis the motivation and incentive for a Two State Solution.
Without the above, Israel just goes on stealing land, and makes USA and Europe look like silly stupid duped suckers.
The current Israel will not stop its land stealing and Palestinian genocide or pushed into Jordan or Egypt until Modern Israel is the same land as Ancient Israel, and this is what the hypocrites of USA and Europe want to overlook.
This mindless, endless conflict has gone on for 60 years now. With no end in sight, only ratcheting up worse and worse. Humanity is sick and tired of two small countries that cannot get their act together, and causes world wide fissures and cracks.
America can go to the Moon and back but is too stupid hypocritical to end a mindless conflict.
America can build the computer and the age of the Internet but too stupid and hypocritical in ending a mindless conflict.
America can go to Mars and explore the universe in new telescopes, but too stupid and hypocritical in ending a mindless conflict that has gone on for 60 years.
In 2023 it was a attack from Gaza city. If America does not end this mindless conflict, now, right now, then what is to come 2 years later?? A missile attack upon the USA by the Arab nations disgusted with the hypocrite USA that aids, panders and steals Palestine and genocide its people?
Maybe America is wanting to relive the days it enslaved and occupied the Native American Indians and sent them to reservations, or enslavement of black slaves from Africa. Israel on Palestine is not much different, and here we have a duped, a suckered America reliving those past sins. Remarkable, it is Voting that lifts Native American Indians and lifts Black Americans. Why America even had its first Black President not too long ago. And Israel if it cannot stop its occupation should have its first Palestinian Prime Minister of Israel not too far in the future.
Every time the Israeli government opens its mouth to fob off a reason of bombing Gaza-- there is only one reason Israel behaves the way it does-- they want modern Israel to be the same land as Ancient Israel and if Palestinians are on that land-- shove them into Egypt or Jordan or genocide.
Perhaps Netanyahu in Oct 1 called up Hamas and told them -- Oct 7 is a good day to attack. All because Netanyahu can then say in his bio, he recaptured Gaza City of old King David of Ancient Israel, while the suckered and duped America came in with more aid, 14 billion dollars worth to build a new Israeli Gaza City, with bed and breakfast, motels and tourist stores, capped off with a swim in the Sea.
2023 was an attack outside Gaza City, and at this rate, the Arab world will likely attack New York City by 2025.
Our duped, suckered and feeble minded politicians here in America need to unscrew their brains, and find a new brain to fit their socket, for we need a resolution of this Conflict-- now and forever more.
Archimedes Plutonium
Nov 9, 2023, 12:36:56 PM
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I need to put "fastest" in the title.
Solving the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, the fastest-easiest way possible-- VOTING// political science by Archimedes Plutonium Preface: In 2019, there was word filtering down in the news that President Trump had a plan for Israel and Palestinians
When will America wake up??
When??
For Israel cherishes land more than life. Israel, ever since 1967 has been on a solitary mission-- make modern Israel be the same land as Ancient Israel, and if Palestinians are on that land-- slowly but forcefully either kill them or push them into Egypt or Jordan. And America has been Israel's accomplice in this horrible expulsion.
The reason we had 9/11 in 2001 where Arabs hijacked planes and flew them into towers in New York City is for revenge on Ariel Sharon illegal settlement building on West Bank and Gaza. Israel does not care about human life if that human life stands in the way of getting all the land that was Ancient Israel.
America paid a horrible price in this complicity-- all the lives lost in 9/11. But now, we have nearly 11,000 Palestinians killed for the Hamas attack of 7 Oct. And the question for Americans is how many Americans will be killed because Israel's program of stealing Palestinian land and shoving the remaining Palestinians into Egypt and Jordan, for make no mistake--- every action done by Israel is to gain back the land that was Ancient Israel and if a Palestinian or American is on that land-- kill him or her for the land is number 1 to Israel.
No wonder the late and famous Dr. Richard Feynman who wrote Lectures in Physics, one of my heroes, no wonder he was ashamed of being listed as "Jew" and rather be listed as "athiest". No wonder he was ashamed for he realized Israel cherishes Land before it cherishes Life.
And now, we are faced, us Americans, are faced with a 1/3 of the world is Muslim stretching from Indonesia to Middle East. A huge broad swathe of the geopolitical world. And so we had 9/11 for US being accomplice to Israel land stealing and never a Two State Solution. What will the Arab world do that is harmful to the US for being this land stealing accomplice? Will the Arab world buy a North Korean missile atomic bomb tipped and flatten New York City instead of tumbling down its skyscrapers?
Will Americans all Americans traveling to or near an Arab country have to fear being taken hostage or killed on the spot, as the Arab revenge for stealing Gaza strip. All because America is far far too stupid to see they are accomplices to Israel land stealing and genocide of Palestinians. When will America wake up if they ever do wake up??
America--- wake up
Oh say can you see
By the illegal settlements
What so proudly we steal land
And the rockets red blare
Bombs bomb bursting in air
Gave truth through the night
That we killed to steal land
--- quoting the BBC on the death of 1,400 Israelis and now the death of 11,000 Palestinians, all so that land stealing Israel can be the same as Ancient Israel land---
US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has warned that Israel cannot reoccupy Gaza after the war with Hamas ends.
Mr Blinken also insisted Hamas could not continue to rule there as it risked a repetition of the 7 October attacks.
He said there should be no forced displacement, blockade or reduction of territory, and that the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority should govern.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said Israel will have "overall security responsibility" for Gaza indefinitely.
He did not elaborate on what that would entail when he made the comment in an TV interview on Monday, but a senior Israeli official told reporters in Washington on Tuesday that Israel had no intention of reoccupying Gaza or controlling it for "a long time".
Israel has been bombarding the territory for a month and began a major ground offensive over a week ago with the objective of destroying Hamas, which it, the US and other Western powers consider a terrorist organisation.
The war began after an unprecedented cross-border assault on southern Israel by Hamas on 7 October, in which 1,400 people were killed and 240 others taken hostage.
Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry says more than 10,500 people have been killed in the territory since then, while the UN is warning that an "unfolding catastrophe" is making a humanitarian ceasefire more urgent.
--- end quoting BBC ---
Biden bombs out sci.math--did he censor-bomb AP's 259th unpublished book for it tells the truth--Putin fast steal Ukraine with genocide-- Israel slow steal Palestine with genocide. Biden is too old and too dumb to know Israel will spark a NUCLEAR World War 3 in its stealing of Palestine.