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Pure math and how it is before man
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mitchr...@gmail.com
2024-02-05 20:39:52 UTC
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It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...

Mitchell Raemsch
Ross Finlayson
2024-02-06 00:29:41 UTC
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It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
Mitchell Raemsch
The ancient Anantha's mathematics' avatar's symbol
for mathematics was "the spiral", also you'll find
it on Thoth, and throughout most the world, while,
these days it's mostly the lemniscate, sort of like
the Ouroboros, "the infinity symbol".

The idea that the mathematical ideals exist as
like they are G-d's own truth is often called "Platonism".

This also is that "mathematics is discovered, not invented".

So, "mathematical Platonism", or ever more strongly,
"strong mathematical Platonism", is the philosophy that
teleology exists and makes mathematics.
mitchr...@gmail.com
2024-02-06 01:55:42 UTC
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Post by Ross Finlayson
Post by ***@gmail.com
It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
Mitchell Raemsch
The ancient Anantha's mathematics' avatar's symbol
for mathematics was "the spiral", also you'll find
it on Thoth, and throughout most the world, while,
these days it's mostly the lemniscate, sort of like
the Ouroboros, "the infinity symbol".
The idea that the mathematical ideals exist as
like they are G-d's own truth is often called "Platonism".
This also is that "mathematics is discovered, not invented".
So, "mathematical Platonism", or ever more strongly,
"strong mathematical Platonism", is the philosophy that
teleology exists and makes mathematics.
Didn't Plato believe math was God.
He stated God was a higher sphere.
Ross Finlayson
2024-02-06 02:31:34 UTC
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Post by Ross Finlayson
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It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
Mitchell Raemsch
The ancient Anantha's mathematics' avatar's symbol
for mathematics was "the spiral", also you'll find
it on Thoth, and throughout most the world, while,
these days it's mostly the lemniscate, sort of like
the Ouroboros, "the infinity symbol".
The idea that the mathematical ideals exist as
like they are G-d's own truth is often called "Platonism".
This also is that "mathematics is discovered, not invented".
So, "mathematical Platonism", or ever more strongly,
"strong mathematical Platonism", is the philosophy that
teleology exists and makes mathematics.
Didn't Plato believe math was God.
He stated God was a higher sphere.
I don't know.

Here it's just that there is a perfect mathematics, we "attain" to it.
We kind of "idealize" Plato idealizing mathematics.

I remember in school in calculus one day I was talking to my friend and
I said "how are you today" and he said "my religion: is mathematics".
And I was like "oh, OK". He was my debate partner for several years and
I understood where he was coming from. Later we talked about it and he
explained it pretty good.

We debated "what to do about old people", "what to do about criminals",
and "what to do about space".

Our plans were "zero-coupon bonds", "hot-bunking", and "solar sails".
We won rounds most of the time, placed about half the time, in the
tournaments.

I have a firm belief in mathematics, even so far as calling it "strong
mathematical Platonism", and it's sort of so that it's sort of the
theory of mathematics existing objectively throughout the entire Western
world since the time of Plato and Augustine and Averroes and right on down.

(Here it's a sort of "agnosticism", but, you know, principled and
there's a teleology not just an ontology, or as the monist view of
strong mathematical platonism is also with regards to a mathematical
universe hypothesis, that though there's still free will and free will
and free will and so on, with regards to mathematics as pure or perfect,
with regards to that being a thing.)


Or, "amicus Plato, fini". I.e. the Germans on down basically have
Gadamer concluding saying "we point at Plato".

Here it's "axiomless natural deduction" arrives at this "axiomless
natural geometry", "a geometry of points and spaces".
Chris M. Thomasson
2024-02-06 06:10:04 UTC
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Post by Ross Finlayson
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It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
Mitchell Raemsch
The ancient Anantha's mathematics' avatar's symbol
for mathematics was "the spiral", also you'll find
it on Thoth, and throughout most the world, while,
these days it's mostly the lemniscate, sort of like
the Ouroboros, "the infinity symbol".
The idea that the mathematical ideals exist as
like they are G-d's own truth is often called "Platonism".
[...]

Praise the Sign of the Holy Math!



;^)
mitchr...@gmail.com
2024-02-06 17:55:57 UTC
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Post by Ross Finlayson
Post by ***@gmail.com
It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
Mitchell Raemsch
The ancient Anantha's mathematics' avatar's symbol
for mathematics was "the spiral", also you'll find
it on Thoth, and throughout most the world, while,
these days it's mostly the lemniscate, sort of like
the Ouroboros, "the infinity symbol".
The idea that the mathematical ideals exist as
like they are G-d's own truth is often called "Platonism".
This also is that "mathematics is discovered, not invented".
So, "mathematical Platonism", or ever more strongly,
"strong mathematical Platonism", is the philosophy that
teleology exists and makes mathematics.
Didn't Plato believe math was God.
He stated God was a higher sphere.
I don't know.
Here it's just that there is a perfect mathematics, we "attain" to it.
We kind of "idealize" Plato idealizing mathematics.
I remember in school in calculus one day I was talking to my friend and
I said "how are you today" and he said "my religion: is mathematics".
And I was like "oh, OK". He was my debate partner for several years and
I understood where he was coming from. Later we talked about it and he
explained it pretty good.
We debated "what to do about old people", "what to do about criminals",
and "what to do about space".
Our plans were "zero-coupon bonds", "hot-bunking", and "solar sails".
We won rounds most of the time, placed about half the time, in the
tournaments.
I have a firm belief in mathematics, even so far as calling it "strong
mathematical Platonism", and it's sort of so that it's sort of the
theory of mathematics existing objectively throughout the entire Western
world since the time of Plato and Augustine and Averroes and right on down.
(Here it's a sort of "agnosticism", but, you know, principled and
there's a teleology not just an ontology, or as the monist view of
strong mathematical platonism is also with regards to a mathematical
universe hypothesis, that though there's still free will and free will
and free will and so on, with regards to mathematics as pure or perfect,
with regards to that being a thing.)
Or, "amicus Plato, fini". I.e. the Germans on down basically have
Gadamer concluding saying "we point at Plato".
Here it's "axiomless natural deduction" arrives at this "axiomless
natural geometry", "a geometry of points and spaces".
Plato suggested the modern hypersphere. He called that math geometry God.
Ross Finlayson
2024-02-06 21:42:55 UTC
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Post by Ross Finlayson
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It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
Mitchell Raemsch
The ancient Anantha's mathematics' avatar's symbol
for mathematics was "the spiral", also you'll find
it on Thoth, and throughout most the world, while,
these days it's mostly the lemniscate, sort of like
the Ouroboros, "the infinity symbol".
The idea that the mathematical ideals exist as
like they are G-d's own truth is often called "Platonism".
This also is that "mathematics is discovered, not invented".
So, "mathematical Platonism", or ever more strongly,
"strong mathematical Platonism", is the philosophy that
teleology exists and makes mathematics.
Didn't Plato believe math was God.
He stated God was a higher sphere.
I don't know.
Here it's just that there is a perfect mathematics, we "attain" to it.
We kind of "idealize" Plato idealizing mathematics.
I remember in school in calculus one day I was talking to my friend and
I said "how are you today" and he said "my religion: is mathematics".
And I was like "oh, OK". He was my debate partner for several years and
I understood where he was coming from. Later we talked about it and he
explained it pretty good.
We debated "what to do about old people", "what to do about criminals",
and "what to do about space".
Our plans were "zero-coupon bonds", "hot-bunking", and "solar sails".
We won rounds most of the time, placed about half the time, in the
tournaments.
I have a firm belief in mathematics, even so far as calling it "strong
mathematical Platonism", and it's sort of so that it's sort of the
theory of mathematics existing objectively throughout the entire Western
world since the time of Plato and Augustine and Averroes and right on down.
(Here it's a sort of "agnosticism", but, you know, principled and
there's a teleology not just an ontology, or as the monist view of
strong mathematical platonism is also with regards to a mathematical
universe hypothesis, that though there's still free will and free will
and free will and so on, with regards to mathematics as pure or perfect,
with regards to that being a thing.)
Or, "amicus Plato, fini". I.e. the Germans on down basically have
Gadamer concluding saying "we point at Plato".
Here it's "axiomless natural deduction" arrives at this "axiomless
natural geometry", "a geometry of points and spaces".
Plato suggested the modern hypersphere. He called that math geometry God.
How about this, a "spiral space-filling curve in all dimensions"?

This is a thing, it starts as a point, but that's not enough, so
there's another, and it adds a neighbor, and adds a dimension,
but that's not enough, so it continues, until through all the
dimensions, for example the ones we can see or one, then it
starts another layer, then another, then another, ad infinitum,
or through all the layers, and it results a continuum,
that is a line segment in one dimension, or an infinite-dimensional
hypersphere filled out as a spiral space-filling curve.

It's sort of like Plato's hypersphere or DesCartes' vortices this way.

Except what fills them up - sort of, "empty -> full".

This is called "line-drawing" as a fundamental act of geometry,
about an axiomless geometry, where it results that from this
existing deductively as from the above description,
why this is the most fundamental continuum, for a geometry.

Which of course G-d can theorize for Himself, then that
the point is being the humble persons can, also.

It's a bit of pure mathematics, though, vis-a-vis
handing out the edges and compasses. You know that
as soon as you give them chalk one of them's going
to mark a line or scribble a dot.

Really though a "spiral space-filling curve" or "line-drawing"
or in function theory "ran(EF)" sort of is the fundamental
continuum made of points of the line segment, a, "point-set",
in descriptive set theory.

Now in remedial, ....
Ross Finlayson
2024-12-26 19:13:17 UTC
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It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
Mitchell Raemsch
The ancient Anantha's mathematics' avatar's symbol
for mathematics was "the spiral", also you'll find
it on Thoth, and throughout most the world, while,
these days it's mostly the lemniscate, sort of like
the Ouroboros, "the infinity symbol".
The idea that the mathematical ideals exist as
like they are G-d's own truth is often called "Platonism".
This also is that "mathematics is discovered, not invented".
So, "mathematical Platonism", or ever more strongly,
"strong mathematical Platonism", is the philosophy that
teleology exists and makes mathematics.
Earle
2024-02-07 01:10:55 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
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AMEN.

earle
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mitchr...@gmail.com
2024-02-07 02:40:09 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
*
AMEN.
If math is before us it is proof of God.
Man is not God.
He can only play Him.
Did man create himself?
earle
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Earle
2024-02-10 01:31:23 UTC
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Post by ***@gmail.com
It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
*
AMEN.
If math is before us it is proof of God.
Man is not God.
He can only play Him.
Did man create himself?
earle
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"Man created God in his own image."
Clyde 3:16 (One of the lost books of the Bible.)

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mitchr...@gmail.com
2024-02-10 02:33:16 UTC
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It is before us back to the BB.
God math is with man after.
If man ends his math does.
So how can the universe continue
to exist without man's math?
How could sciences dead universe
continue to exist mathematically?
Man did not create himself.
God is forever math before us
and with us...
*
AMEN.
If math is before us it is proof of God.
Man is not God.
He can only play Him.
Did man create himself?
earle
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"Man created God in his own image."
Clyde 3:16 (One of the lost books of the Bible.)
earle
I am an atheist to that God. It is man playing God.
Man didn't create himself.
Math before us is proof of a God Who has always
existed before us. If the BB is mathematical.

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Mitchell Raemsch
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