A question for WM...

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Wrt your logic, I have some questions:
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Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?

Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
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As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans? Say
a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42 before... So,
this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not dark. However,
it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in the database, is
it light or dark, WM?

[WM]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in the database, is
it light or dark, WM?

[WM]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
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Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?

Yes.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?

Yes.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Say
a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42 before... So,
this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not dark. However,
it is "dark" wrt the the kid?

Yes, the darkness is related to the system. If the kid is isolated, then
42 is dark in its system.

The next 10^1000 prime numbers are dark for us but an advanced
civilization may know them already.

Regards, WM

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by WM

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?

Yes.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?

Yes.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not
dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid?

Yes, the darkness is related to the system. If the kid is isolated, then
42 is dark in its system.
The next 10^1000 prime numbers are dark for us but an advanced
civilization may know them already.

Ahhhh. I think I see what you just might be getting at all along...
Infinitely many dark numbers is saying that N is indeed infinite, but
say the (current) largest number, say largest prime we have currently
detected and printed out?... (kidding, lol), is light to us now, as we
progress wrt technology and sheer smarts we will be able to actually
calculate higher primes..., that will turn from dark to light, right? Am
I getting closer to your line of thinking, WM? We know that there are
infinitely many primes, but the ones we have not actually calculated
yet, are dark, but the are still very much, _there_ in N, indeed. Any
closer, WM? Or way off your mark, so to speak? Humm...

[WM]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson

Post by WM

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?

Yes.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?

Yes.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not
dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid?

Yes, the darkness is related to the system. If the kid is isolated, then
42 is dark in its system.
The next 10^1000 prime numbers are dark for us but an advanced
civilization may know them already.

Ahhhh. I think I see what you just might be getting at all along...
Infinitely many dark numbers is saying that N is indeed infinite, but
say the (current) largest number, say largest prime we have currently
detected and printed out?... (kidding, lol), is light to us now, as we
progress wrt technology and sheer smarts we will be able to actually
calculate higher primes...,

but almost all will remain dark forever.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
that will turn from dark to light, right? Am
I getting closer to your line of thinking, WM? We know that there are
infinitely many primes, but the ones we have not actually calculated
yet, are dark, but the are still very much, _there_ in N, indeed. Any
closer, WM? Or way off your mark, so to speak? Humm...

I think you've got it.

Regards, WM

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by WM

Post by Chris M. Thomasson

Post by WM

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?

Yes.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?

Yes.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is
not dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid?

Yes, the darkness is related to the system. If the kid is isolated,
then 42 is dark in its system.
The next 10^1000 prime numbers are dark for us but an advanced
civilization may know them already.

Ahhhh. I think I see what you just might be getting at all along...
Infinitely many dark numbers is saying that N is indeed infinite, but
say the (current) largest number, say largest prime we have currently
detected and printed out?... (kidding, lol), is light to us now, as we
progress wrt technology and sheer smarts we will be able to actually
calculate higher primes...,

but almost all will remain dark forever.

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
that will turn from dark to light, right? Am I getting closer to your
line of thinking, WM? We know that there are infinitely many primes,
but the ones we have not actually calculated yet, are dark, but the
are still very much, _there_ in N, indeed. Any closer, WM? Or way off
your mark, so to speak? Humm...

I think you've got it.

There are infinitely many dark natural numbers, aka, we have not seen
(aka, calculated, "printed them out") them yet? There is no largest dark
number, right?

[Tom Bola]

Post by WM
The next 10^1000 prime numbers are dark for us but an advanced
civilization may know them already.

Sure, if that is what you mean by "dark" - but if you think your thougt
straigt one sees what the meaning of ω is...

[Moebius]

Post by WM
The next 10^1000 prime numbers are dark for us but an advanced
civilization may know them already.

Sure, if that is what you mean by "dark" [...]

RR hat in diesem Zusammenhang ja über die Definition des Begriffs
"bekannt" nachgedacht (und ist dabei auf die Nase gefallen).

Was das dumme Arschloch, WM, offenbar nicht versteht, ist, dass es bei
mathematischen Theoremen, die Zahlen betreffen, nicht darauf ankommt, ob
diese Zahlen "bekannt", "dark", "hell" oder Kacke-Braun sind.

So gilt z. B. der Satz

An e IN: n + n = 2*n

(wie der Quantor schon besagt) für ALLE natürlichen Zahlen, nicht nur
für die "bekannten" bzw. nicht "dunklen" Zahlen.

Man sollte dieses geisteskranke Arschloch zwangseinweisen lassen.

[WM]

Post by Tom Bola

Post by WM
The next 10^1000 prime numbers are dark for us but an advanced
civilization may know them already.

Sure, if that is what you mean by "dark" - but if you think your thougt
straigt one sees what the meaning of ω is...

ω cannot be connected by a FISON to zero. This however is required by my
definition of definable.

Regards, WM

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
____________
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans? Say
a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42 before... So,
this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not dark. However,
it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in the database, is
it light or dark, WM?

Are the dark numbers driving really fast blasting the following music?

;^)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
____________
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not
dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in
the database, is it light or dark, WM?

Are the dark numbers driving really fast blasting the following music?
http://youtu.be/TxZwCpgxttQ
;^)

Ants driving _really_ fast, as apposed to ants driving fast? ;^)

[Moebius]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not
dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in
the database, is it light or dark, WM?

Moreover, isn't, say, 1 < 42, and 42 + 42 = 2 * 42, no matter if 42 is
light or dark (wrt the the kid or not; stored in the database or not)?

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Moebius

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is
not dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is
stored in the database, is it light or dark, WM?

Moreover, isn't, say, 1 < 42, and 42 + 42 = 2 * 42, no matter if 42 is
light or dark (wrt the the kid or not; stored in the database or not)?

Let the infinite light of knowledge shine hyper bright tonight Moebius! :^D

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson

Post by Moebius

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by
humans? Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number
42 before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it
is not dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is
stored in the database, is it light or dark, WM?

Moreover, isn't, say, 1 < 42, and 42 + 42 = 2 * 42, no matter if 42 is
light or dark (wrt the the kid or not; stored in the database or not)?

Let the infinite light of knowledge shine hyper bright tonight Moebius! :^D

Perhaps WM thinks that "locally" wrt the little kid (has no idea about
multiplication), 42 does not even exist yet, let alone being "dark"? So,
we have to think dark for some, light for others? Wow, WM logic is
special... ;^)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
____________
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans? Say
a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42 before... So,
this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not dark. However,
it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in the database, is
it light or dark, WM?

Wait a minute.... Is WM a ganja head?

Humm....

[Moebius]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
____________
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not
dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in
the database, is it light or dark, WM?

Another questions: What's the relevance of this nonsense for math?

I mean, isn't, say, n+n = 2n or 1+...+n = (n+1)*n/2, etc. for ALL
natural numbers n, not just for the light ones? <facepalm>

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Moebius

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?
____________
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not
dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in
the database, is it light or dark, WM?

Another questions: What's the relevance of this nonsense for math?

Good question. lol. ;^)

Post by Moebius
I mean, isn't, say, n+n = 2n or 1+...+n = (n+1)*n/2, etc. for ALL
natural numbers n, not just for the light ones? <facepalm>

Right. Not to mention the deadly grey ones. Oh, the purple ones are
really weird. WM is special... Not in the good way? ;^o

[Moebius]

Am 17.06.2024 um 22:30 schrieb Chris M. Thomasson:

| As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?

Why not use a galactic database and include aliens?

-> Psychosis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Moebius
| As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Why not use a galactic database and include aliens?

Good one. ;^D

Ahh, but we are in one galaxy out of many... Humm...

Post by Moebius
-> Psychosis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis)

No shit man. :^)

[Moebius]

Post by Chris M. Thomasson

Post by Moebius
| As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Why not use a galactic database and include aliens?

Good one. ;^D
Ahh, but we are in one galaxy out of many... Humm...

Right, hence the database should comprise the whole universe (at least)
and all creatures (living in this universe) dealing with numbers!

We might work with (universe wide) database replication!

<Gaga>

(You see, the encyclopedia of number is simple not large enough for
Mückenheim's light numbers!)

[Chris M. Thomasson]

Post by Moebius

Post by Chris M. Thomasson

Post by Moebius
| As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Why not use a galactic database and include aliens?

Good one. ;^D
Ahh, but we are in one galaxy out of many... Humm...

Right, hence the database should comprise the whole universe (at least)
and all creatures (living in this universe) dealing with numbers!
We might work with (universe wide) database replication!
<Gaga>
(You see, the encyclopedia of number is simple not large enough for
Mückenheim's light numbers!)

WM needs to visit the electric avenue:

;^D

[WM]

Post by Moebius

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
Are there infinitely many "dark" numbers?

Yes.

Post by Moebius

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
Is there only a finite number of "light" numbers?

Yes, a potential infinity.

Post by Moebius

Post by Chris M. Thomasson
____________
As in a global database with all of the numbers witnessed by humans?
Say a little kid, say 3 years old has never saw the number 42
before... So, this number is light because I just wrote it, it is not
dark. However, it is "dark" wrt the the kid? If a number is stored in
the database, is it light or dark, WM?

Depends on the accessibility of the database. Darkness depends on the
system.

Post by Moebius
Another questions: What's the relevance of this nonsense for math?

Nothing.

Post by Moebius
I mean, isn't, say, n+n = 2n or 1+...+n = (n+1)*n/2, etc. for ALL
natural numbers n, not just for the light ones? <facepalm>

Yes, that is to be assumed but cannot be proven.

Regards, WM

[Moebius]

Darkness depends on the system.

Your brain is full of shit.