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To claim a tiger had huge saber teeth is to claim that tiger had no functioning grinding molars. Was the Saber-Toothed-Tiger, Smilodon, Paleontologists most laughable mistake? // Was the 4 tusked Gomphothere the 2nd joke? Archimedes Plutonium
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Archimedes Plutonium
2019-06-25 18:35:27 UTC
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To claim a tiger had huge saber teeth is to claim that tiger had no functioning grinding molars.


Was the Saber-Toothed-Tiger, Smilodon, Paleontologists most laughable mistake? // Was the 4 tusked Gomphothere the 2nd joke? Kindle Edition
by Archimedes Plutonium (Author)

Ever since I was a teenager in High School, I was troubled with the saber-toothed tiger-- how evolution could have built such an animal. But I was not logical in mind as a teenager, and had to wait until now to let my logical mind survey that perplexing question. To an extraordinary claim in science-- huge teeth that an animal cannot cope with, requires extra-special evidence and proofs of science. How can evolution theory (even though it is a rule or algorithm) (see my Superdeterminism replaces Darwin Evolution book), how can evolution produce an animal with teeth that "get in the way of everything" as the animal goes through life. So, I am asking the science community to completely re-examine the fossil evidence of Smilodon. I do not have that evidence available, but the entire Paleontology community can make the evidence available. For what I suspect is that the tiger never had saber-teeth and that those teeth found in digs or tar pits, were the teeth of Entelodonts or some ungulate horn or walrus type animal teeth. In other words, I question the claim there ever existed a cat with huge canine teeth.

Cover Picture: What spurred me onto this small book was a few days ago seeing the cover of Science News showing a Saber-Toothed Tiger. And how utterly ridiculous for a tiger to have those teeth. And just as ridiculous that grown scientists believe such nonsense without questioning it.

Length: 18 ? pages
konyberg
2019-06-25 18:51:52 UTC
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To claim a tiger had huge saber teeth is to claim that tiger had no functioning grinding molars.
Was the Saber-Toothed-Tiger, Smilodon, Paleontologists most laughable mistake? // Was the 4 tusked Gomphothere the 2nd joke? Kindle Edition
by Archimedes Plutonium (Author)
Ever since I was a teenager in High School, I was troubled with the saber-toothed tiger-- how evolution could have built such an animal. But I was not logical in mind as a teenager, and had to wait until now to let my logical mind survey that perplexing question. To an extraordinary claim in science-- huge teeth that an animal cannot cope with, requires extra-special evidence and proofs of science. How can evolution theory (even though it is a rule or algorithm) (see my Superdeterminism replaces Darwin Evolution book), how can evolution produce an animal with teeth that "get in the way of everything" as the animal goes through life. So, I am asking the science community to completely re-examine the fossil evidence of Smilodon. I do not have that evidence available, but the entire Paleontology community can make the evidence available. For what I suspect is that the tiger never had saber-teeth and that those teeth found in digs or tar pits, were the teeth of Entelodonts or some ungulate horn or walrus type animal teeth. In other words, I question the claim there ever existed a cat with huge canine teeth.
Cover Picture: What spurred me onto this small book was a few days ago seeing the cover of Science News showing a Saber-Toothed Tiger. And how utterly ridiculous for a tiger to have those teeth. And just as ridiculous that grown scientists believe such nonsense without questioning it.
Length: 18 ? pages
Maybe the saber-tooth tiger was digging in the ground for food? Like the walrus do at the see bottom? Just a wild theory :)
KON
Me
2019-06-25 19:46:40 UTC
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Maybe the saber-tooth tiger was digging in the ground for food?
Like the walrus do at the see bottom? Just a wild theory :)

konyberg
2019-06-25 19:57:12 UTC
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Maybe the saber-tooth tiger was digging in the ground for food?
Like the walrus do at the see bottom? Just a wild theory :)
http://youtu.be/jjthZHfdwXs
That was interesting and logical. Get to the throat of the pray and sever the blood vessels.
KON
Me
2019-06-25 19:36:07 UTC
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So, I am asking the science community to completely re-examine the fossil
evidence of Smilodon.
Have a look:
https://fineart.ha.com/itm/fossils/mammals/an-extremely-rare-saber-tooth-tiger-skull/a/5009-38318.s

Ok, it's "Megantereon nihowanensis", but: "Megantereon is a primitive machairodont saber-cat. It is believed to be the oldest direct ancestor of the great American "Saber-toothed Tiger", Smilodon, which is found in the La Brea Tar Pits and is California's official state fossil."

Some news too:
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/fossils-reveal-saber-toothed-cats-may-have-pierced-rivals-skulls
konyberg
2019-06-25 19:43:43 UTC
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So, I am asking the science community to completely re-examine the fossil
evidence of Smilodon.
https://fineart.ha.com/itm/fossils/mammals/an-extremely-rare-saber-tooth-tiger-skull/a/5009-38318.s
Ok, it's "Megantereon nihowanensis", but: "Megantereon is a primitive machairodont saber-cat. It is believed to be the oldest direct ancestor of the great American "Saber-toothed Tiger", Smilodon, which is found in the La Brea Tar Pits and is California's official state fossil."
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/fossils-reveal-saber-toothed-cats-may-have-pierced-rivals-skulls
Interesting.
But you will probably not be able to follow this post. AP is spreading it in different posts, as he usually does.
KON
Archimedes Plutonium
2019-06-25 19:57:23 UTC
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So, I am asking the science community to completely re-examine the fossil
evidence of Smilodon.
https://fineart.ha.com/itm/fossils/mammals/an-extremely-rare-saber-tooth-tiger-skull/a/5009-38318.s
Ok, it's "Megantereon nihowanensis", but: "Megantereon is a primitive machairodont saber-cat. It is believed to be the oldest direct ancestor of the great American "Saber-toothed Tiger", Smilodon, which is found in the La Brea Tar Pits and is California's official state fossil."
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/fossils-reveal-saber-toothed-cats-may-have-pierced-rivals-skulls
Interesting.
But you will probably not be able to follow this post. AP is spreading it in different posts, as he usually does.
KON
May 24
konyberg Why would I teach King Gustav? Learn some geography while learning elementary
mathematics (not basic, but elementary). KON
AP writes: Konyberg, anyone ever tell you, you have a scatterbrain
konyberg
2019-06-25 20:02:00 UTC
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So, I am asking the science community to completely re-examine the fossil
evidence of Smilodon.
https://fineart.ha.com/itm/fossils/mammals/an-extremely-rare-saber-tooth-tiger-skull/a/5009-38318.s
Ok, it's "Megantereon nihowanensis", but: "Megantereon is a primitive machairodont saber-cat. It is believed to be the oldest direct ancestor of the great American "Saber-toothed Tiger", Smilodon, which is found in the La Brea Tar Pits and is California's official state fossil."
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/fossils-reveal-saber-toothed-cats-may-have-pierced-rivals-skulls
Interesting.
But you will probably not be able to follow this post. AP is spreading it in different posts, as he usually does.
KON
May 24
konyberg Why would I teach King Gustav? Learn some geography while learning elementary
mathematics (not basic, but elementary). KON
AP writes: Konyberg, anyone ever tell you, you have a scatterbrain
I have a scatterbrain? How are you, by the way?
KON
Michael Moroney
2019-06-25 22:51:15 UTC
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Subject: To claim a tiger had huge saber teeth is to claim that tiger had no
functioning grinding molars. Was the Saber-Toothed-Tiger, Smilodon,
Paleontologists most laughable mistake? // Was the 4 tusked Gomphothere the
2nd joke? Archimedes Plutonium
Looks like one star is about one stars too many.



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Archimedes Plutonium
2019-06-27 19:00:40 UTC
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Alright, the entire science story of Smilodon is going nowhere, nowhere at all until a DNA analysis is performed on Smilodon fossils.

Since those cats come from about the same time period as Neanderthal and since Neanderthal supplied DNA to research. Makes sense that Smilodon fossils should yield testable DNA.

Once such a DNA testing on Smilodon is begun, in this manner can we fully say whether or whether not the saber teeth belonged to the cat, or was a walrus tooth or some other animal tooth.

And the testing may have to be in Germany where they did the Neanderthal DNA.

What I predict as the outcome-- I predict it will be found that the saber teeth was not the cats, but a walrus. And I further predict that geneticists can find the chromosomes where the canine teeth of cats is connected in parallel evolution of the lower teeth to the upper teeth, meaning, that if the saber teeth were the cats, the lower canine teeth should have evolved to become larger also-- suggesting, here again that the saber teeth did not belong to Smilodon.

This story of Smilodon must now be a priority of DNA testing. And the fossils are relatively young in age so should have plenty of DNA to test. And the tar pits should have protected and preserved the DNA.

It is befuddling as to why no-one has sought to DNA test the Smilodon before now.

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Me
2019-06-27 21:07:11 UTC
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nowhere at all until a DNA analysis is performed on Smilodon fossils.
Nope. See:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-04904-1
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982217311892
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)31198-3

Or:

"Despite the colloquial name "saber-toothed tiger", Smilodon is not closely related to the modern tiger (which belongs in the subfamily Pantherinae), or any other extant felid.[19] A 1992 ancient DNA analysis suggested that Smilodon should be grouped with modern cats (subfamilies Felinae and Pantherinae).[20] A 2005 study found that Smilodon belonged to a separate lineage.[21] A study published in 2006 confirmed this, showing that the Machairodontinae diverged early from the ancestors of modern cats and were not closely related to any living species.[22] The following cladogram based on fossils and DNA analysis shows the placement of Smilodon among extinct and extant felids, after Rincón and colleagues, 2011:[16]"

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smilodon
Me
2019-06-27 21:20:23 UTC
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Ever since I was a teenager in High School, I was troubled with the saber-
toothed tiger-- how evolution could have built such an animal.
Yeah, it's indeed rather impressing.
Post by Archimedes Plutonium
But I was not logical in mind as a teenager, and had to wait until now to let
my logical mind survey that perplexing question.
Hmmm... Maybe it's just the other way round?
Post by Archimedes Plutonium
To an extraordinary claim in science-- huge teeth that an animal cannot cope
with, [...]
Hint: Smilodon _could_ cope with his teeth. (See link below.)
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how can evolution produce an animal with teeth that "get in the way of
everything" as the animal goes through life.
And you think a walrus is better off?

Well, imho you should just check the following video:

Smilodon skull - Object of the Month - Lapworth Museum of Geology
http://youtu.be/jjthZHfdwXs

It might TEACH you something (you didn't know).
Me
2019-06-27 21:31:07 UTC
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Smilodon skull - Object of the Month - Lapworth Museum of Geology
http://youtu.be/jjthZHfdwXs
It might TEACH you something (you didn't know).
Interesting article, too:

https://futurism.media/the-dead-zoo-smilodon

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